Julian Draxler - AM LC - Schalke 04 (25 Viewers)

[juvefan]

SoriaNO!!!!

 

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[Goodfella]

It is indeed risky spending money on a proven player (he has also done it in the CL as well as The Bundesliga, and let's not forget that he happens to possess a WC winner's medal as well), but not so much of a risk to waste funds on Zaza, or close to 40 million Dybala. All of them are unproven.

This guy is worth the investment as there is a lot of upside to his game, he is explosive and dynamic, and still very young. The whole injury prone thing is BS; he had one serious injury, and that is about it. Is he currently worth 30+ million? Most probably not (potentially, he could be worth 50 or 60). However, prices are inflated, and Zaza wasn't worth what we paid for him, nor was Dybala for that matter. Perhaps in a couple of years Dybala will be worth double, but he is just as much of a risk at this point as Draxler is.

Very well said.

 

[Bianconero81]

SoriaNO!!!!

Please take this shit to the relevant thread. Don't taint the Draxler thread with such nonsense

 

[am0110]

Damiano Giordano: La #Juve non molla #Draxler nonostante il muro dello #Schalke. Marotta tenta l'ultimo assalto e arriva 18 mln subito + 12 di bonus


So? tnx Padowin

 

[RAMI-N]

18+12?

That's the 30 Schalke asking for..... on Marotta terms

 

[baggio]

Embarrassing.

 

[Klin]

Embarrassing.

 

[Bianconero81]

Well, if the offer is true, he did meet the magic number. I guess we can settle for 22-23 Million + some sort/form of guaranteed bonuses.

 

[italiacalcio10]

He should exceed the 30 million. Schalke clearly doesn't like the bonus structure, so in order to keep that, include more cash.

20+15 would be good. The 15 should be tied primarily to health, but also somewhat to performance. It should not be easy either. Unfortunately, I think we should bear the risk if the player isn't effective. We just should mitigate injury risk. Performance risk is on our scouting staff. It should be tied to games played, and if he plays under 70% of games played, there should be a way to ensure it is injury and not performance...

If Draxler isn't good enough for us, Schalke shouldn't get less money. If he is too injured to play, they should get less money.

 

[zizinho]

Embarrassing.

whats embarrassing?

 

[Badass J Elkann]

He should exceed the 30 million. Schalke clearly doesn't like the bonus structure, so in order to keep that, include more cash.

20+15 would be good. The 15 should be tied primarily to health, but also somewhat to performance. It should not be easy either. Unfortunately, I think we should bear the risk if the player isn't effective. We just should mitigate injury risk. Performance risk is on our scouting staff. It should be tied to games played, and if he plays under 70% of games played, there should be a way to ensure it is injury and not performance...

If Draxler isn't good enough for us, Schalke shouldn't get less money. If he is too injured to play, they should get less money.

The bonuses probably consists of unrealistic performance related clauses

 

[PedroFlu]

SoriaNO!!!!

I'd be good on him for 10-12M (TOPS) and being brought to play as a CM.

Right now we have 4 men to 4 positions in the midfield, + Dybala (but Allegri already said he doesn't consider him a trequartista). Padoin is not good enough to play in the midfield, but he can do the job as a backup LB.

I'm not counting on Asamoah and Khedira.

Gotta sign 1 CM and 1 AM ASAP.

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So as we are now, I'm sure Allegri will go with the 352, so he can have Pereyra on the bench to fill in for a CM or change the scheme and play AM.

With Morata - Mandzukic upfront.

I don't really like it..

 

[zizinho]

The bonuses probably consists of unrealistic performance related clauses

i think Draxlers quality is not an issue for us, rather his health. the bonuses are more likely to be tied to number of performances imo. a healthy Draxler is worth 30M, even more, but if he is sidelined for half a season then thats a bad deal. and the bonuses are for the whole duration of his contract like with Dybala or Pereyra most likely. so if Draxler spends most of the time of his 4/5 years contract sidelined, we pay less than 20M for him, can still sell him for 10-15M probably after 2-3 seasons and the loss is minimal. if Draxler spends most of the time of his contract playing, we pay the full sum and he is absolutely worth that. some of the bonuses are probably the traditional ones, like if we win Serie A, Coppa, CL, win certain number of games etc. but most of them are for how many appearances he gets imo.

 

[Enron]

can't wait to see marotta try and negotiate with david levy

One day you will wake up and your name will be Badass Wetblanket

 

[PedroFlu]

I've never seen much of Draxler, but what bugs me is that he doesn't seem to be very mobile / proactive.

And today, players who are not mobile and who have poor moving off the ball are almost vanished. Talent must be off the charts to make up for it.

 

[KB824]

Embarrassing.

Not really dude. If the total is 30 million, assuming that the bonuses are appearance based. They would be getting 60% of that money upfront, no questions asked. Knowing the injury that Draxler had last year, there would be some concerns as to paying out the full 30.

It's a really tricky situation, because a fully healthy Draxler is easily worth 30 million just based on talent alone. Schalke wants Juve, or anyone else to take the full financial risk on the player, when it is unclear right now whether he would be fit enough to last a whole season.

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I've never seen much of Draxler, but what bugs me is that he doesn't seem to be very mobile / proactive.

And today, players who are not mobile and who have poor moving off the ball are almost vanished. Talent must be off the charts to make up for it.

Draxler is very mobile. His talent is not the issue. His ability to maintain a good level of health after last year's problems are the issue.

 

[Hust]

Not really dude. If the total is 30 million, assuming that the bonuses are appearance based. They would be getting 60% of that money upfront, no questions asked. Knowing the injury that Draxler had last year, there would be some concerns as to paying out the full 30.

It's a really tricky situation, because a fully healthy Draxler is easily worth 30 million just based on talent alone. Schalke wants Juve, or anyone else to take the full financial risk on the player, when it is unclear right now whether he would be fit enough to last a whole season.

18m now is a hell of a lot better than 30m split up in 3 years at 10m a year, right?

Wouldn't need to explain that to the experts here though

 

[Gep]

Marotta says stay calm. Fuck me this guy's so calm I'm worried he'll slip into a coma.

 

[Klin]

18m now is a hell of a lot better than 30m split up in 3 years at 10m a year, right?

Wouldn't need to explain that to the experts here though

How do you know it won't be paid in installments?

 

[Juvellino]

If they don't spend the Vidal money what happens to it? Do they just keep it? Does it carry over to next mercato? How does that work for financial fair play? etc