Julian Draxler - AM LC - Schalke 04 (29 Viewers)

[Zacheryah]

ah ok. so because we won one match against an opponent, that makes it ok?

okay, let's assume that this argument of yours is valid, you have provided one match as proof.

here, i will provide you with 8 matches where 3-5-2 not only didnt work, but was flat out embarassing

2 matches against bayern
1 match against kobenhavn
2 matches against gala
1 match against real madrid
1 match against athletico
1 match against olymiacos


8 matches is greater than your 1 match as proof. so i win this argument once and for all.

You have no argument. Nearly all of those games where with Conte. Allegri adapted the team to his liking and improved the 3-5-2. Later in the second part of the season, we used it with great effectivity.


Fact is, think about the bayern game. 0 ball retention up front. Thats what happens if you face a big team, with a 4-3-1-2 that has no playmaker

 

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[Mark]

ENOUGH INSULTS!!!​

 

[Lion]

You have no argument. Nearly all of those games where with Conte. Allegri adapted the team to his liking and improved the 3-5-2. Later in the second part of the season, we used it with great effectivity.


Fact is, think about the bayern game. 0 ball retention up front. Thats what happens if you face a big team, with a 4-3-1-2 that has no playmaker

ah ok. that sounds tactically right.

what about pogba? he ruins our tactical flow so 3-5-2 or 4-3-1-2 dont matter. he has to go

 

[Enron]

Yay Mark. Way to go.

 

[Hust]

ENOUGH INSULTS!!!​

Atta boi

 

[Zacheryah]

You are just throwing out randomly descriptive words it seems like Zach.

One point to consider is Dybala is more creative passer then Tevez (despite latter being strong focus point) and Draxler would not be a pressing player, even if fast, and is alot more creative attacking solution then Pereyra and Vidal combined probably in that role. Tho in overall this will be a sofer team by far with Tevez and Vidal gone.


Its another matter tho who will take up Pirlo's type of responsibility.

I found a more easy way to describe this.


Pereyra, dybala and morata are players that run away from the ball, into free spaces to receive it there, and make actions when taking on players in favorable positions.

Tevez is a player that comes to ask the ball, and then keeps it to distribute.

playing 4312 where none of your front 3 is doing that, means you'll find it hard to keep the ball. wich makes it hard for your midfield to move up.



You know what happens next ? Bonucci hoofing it forward.

 

[Pirlo's Beard]

Thank God when we played 3-5-2 we never ever had to witness Bonucci hoofing the ball forward. Definitely glad 3-5-2 stops that from happening on a regular basis.

#Tactics

#TheMoreYouKnow

 

[Zacheryah]

ah ok. that sounds tactically right.

what about pogba? he ruins our tactical flow so 3-5-2 or 4-3-1-2 dont matter. he has to go

Pogba is a key difference maker in the 3-5-2.

He remains a cm that plays b2b, but he's developping a playmaking aspect in his game, much more then a traditional b2b. Much more then vidal/marchisio did.
Because of this, in a 3-5-2 he's the ideal connection to move up the play to connect midfield with attack, with Dybala and Moradzukic beeing more mobile


To have this work properly, we should have good crossing tho. Evra has that. Cuadrado can offer it on the right. Wich is why if we cant get a TQ, we can inforce our 352 and play cuadrado on the right

 

[Hust]

#TheMoreYouKnow

 

[Zacheryah]

Thank God when we played 3-5-2 we never ever had to witness Bonucci hoofing the ball forward. Definitely glad 3-5-2 stops that from happening on a regular basis.

#Tactics

#TheMoreYouKnow

You are referring to Conte's very rigid interpretation. Thats indeed the hoofing i'm referring to. With Allegri, Tevez his role changed quite alot, and added mobility and freedom wich improved this team a big amount

Playing 4312 without a playmaker, means when we are pressed we'll have a hard time building the play. In a 352 with the current set of players, we dont have that issue, but our buildup is slower then last years 4312.

 

[Osman]

You called Mandzukic static poacher and Dybala player that moves off the ball into space mainly? Firstly the former is extremely mobile for a big man, he moves nonstop and goes wide if he cant find it in the middle and active in build up. And Dybala lacks the strength and finishing of Tevez, but his technical and creative abilities are better then Tevez. He WILL ask for the ball alot, dribble with it alot, and most importantly he will defenitely make alot more plays then Tevez in terms of long balls or through balls (Tevez was more about bulldozing his way through defences and making short pass to someone open when assisting).


And when I made the previous post it was the assumption we will sign Draxler, who is a fast and explosive type of pentrating AM, more of Tevez type then anything else really. He would be great for counters and bulldozing his way through defences, is quite clear with short opening passes and transporting and retaining the ball.

 

[DeviAngel]

A fast pressing player and a playmaking ss

Oh lawd, tell me. Is Lichtsteiner a box to box wing back or an inverted false #26?

box to box left back - juvenelcuore - goallegacy

 

[Zacheryah]

You called Mandzukic static poacher and Dybala player that moves off the ball into space mainly? Firstly the former is extremely mobile for a big man, he moves nonstop and goes wide if he cant find it in the middle and active in build up. And Dybala lacks the strength and finishing of Tevez, but his technical and creative abilities are better then Tevez. He WILL ask for the ball alot, dribble with it alot, and most importantly he will defenitely make alot more plays then Tevez in terms of long balls or through balls (Tevez was more about bulldozing his way through defences and making short pass to someone open when assisting).


And when I made the previous post it was the assumption we will sign Draxler, who is a fast and explosive type of pentrating AM, more of Tevez type then anything else really. He would be great for counters and bulldozing his way through defences, is quite clear with short opening passes and transporting and retaining the ball.

Oh if we'd have draxler, we should absolutely got 4312. What a lethal fast paced frontline to face.


Mandzukic is "static" when you got possession. Its not a Morata who tries to run behind the defence or makes sprints anywere (he does cover ALOT of ground defensively).

But yeah, Draxler would be good enough to get the playmaking back. I was referring to when we didnt had draxler


draxler : 4312
nodraxler: 352

 

[Collaguazo]

3-5-2 is disgusting.

it's the formation that knocked us out of CL agaisnt mighty galatasary.

what formation did juve use that made juve reach the cl? not the 3-5-2

how may teams use 3-5-2 and have won CL in the last 15 years? not a single one

We can kiss goodbye the CL if we use 3-5-2. With that formation we won't win shit in Europe.

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Hahaha. The Trequartista Apocalypse

 

[Hust]

The Trequartista Apocalypse of 2015


Love it

 

[Zacheryah]

It was pretty strong against dortmund, and we were winning a whole streak of games with it at the end of the season so

Wouldnt worry.

 

[duranfj]

4-3-1-2 should be our starting formation in general (yeah yeah we need Draxler to do that). We have to use 3-5-2 in the same way we use last year (dortmunt, monaco or to change tactics in a running game).

I think that if we dont get any juventus material cam (please Marotta dont let that happen) we are gonna have to add the 4-3-3 and see how it goes.

 

[Catenaccio]

Actually, if we did get Draxler, I can see us playing a 4321. Draxler and Dybala playing behind Mandzu/Morata. Dybala would be great as an inside right forward and Draxler naturally tends to drift to the left. Formation would be fluid though as it can easily revert to 4312 with Dybala moving forward and Draxler playing behind the front 2.

 

[FuriaCeca]

Our last offer seems pretty reasonable. If they don't accept it, so be it. Just close the mercato and don't make any stupid deals ala Saponara and co.

 

[Carlos Primera]

TS seems pretty confident. Yesterdays edition had "Draxler Assicurato" emblazoned in bold as its main headline.