Not too impressed by what I have seen of Iturbe. He reminds me of Obafemi, short , fast and has some wicked shot , that's about it.
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Juan Manuel Iturbe Arévalos - Winger - Hellas Verona (35 Viewers)
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Hope we don't pay too much for the guy (with Marotta you never know).
This deal reminds me of Lazio's deal with Zarate (young argentian talent with lots of potential), and they've paid close to 20 mil (even less then our reported price with Iturbe) for a
potential and that turned out to be a stupid move (same could be said about Pato and Milan).
That differentiate a good negotiater from a bad one, you don't pay extra $$ for a player because potentially one day in the future he "might" be great. You pay what he's worth today.
Been working in real estate market for years and I see deals like that happens everyday from some ignorant buyers (pays a lot for a building because he thinks the rents will go up infinitely and life will be wonderful forever) and when the markets turns around they get screwed and wonder what happened.
On the hand, great buyers tend to pay what a land or building worth today and not a cent more than that. In most cases, they turned out to be right.
This deal reminds me of Lazio's deal with Zarate (young argentian talent with lots of potential), and they've paid close to 20 mil (even less then our reported price with Iturbe) for a
potential and that turned out to be a stupid move (same could be said about Pato and Milan).That differentiate a good negotiater from a bad one, you don't pay extra $$ for a player because potentially one day in the future he "might" be great. You pay what he's worth today.
Been working in real estate market for years and I see deals like that happens everyday from some ignorant buyers (pays a lot for a building because he thinks the rents will go up infinitely and life will be wonderful forever) and when the markets turns around they get screwed and wonder what happened.
On the hand, great buyers tend to pay what a land or building worth today and not a cent more than that. In most cases, they turned out to be right.
Hope we don't pay too much for the guy (with Marotta you never know).
This deal reminds me of Lazio's deal with Zarate (young argentian talent with lots of potential), and they've paid close to 20 mil (even less then our reported price with Iturbe) for a potential and that turned out to be a stupid move (same could be said about Pato and Milan).
That differentiate a good negotiater from a bad one, you don't pay extra $$ for a player because potentially one day in the future he "might" be great. You pay what he's worth today.
Been working in real estate market for years and I see deals like that happens everyday from some ignorant buyers (pays a lot for a building because he thinks the rents will go up infinitely and life will be wonderful forever) and when the markets turns around they get screwed and wonder what happened.
On the hand, great buyers tend to pay what a land or building worth today and not a cent more than that. In most cases, they turned out to be right.
This deal reminds me of Lazio's deal with Zarate (young argentian talent with lots of potential), and they've paid close to 20 mil (even less then our reported price with Iturbe) for a
potential and that turned out to be a stupid move (same could be said about Pato and Milan).That differentiate a good negotiater from a bad one, you don't pay extra $$ for a player because potentially one day in the future he "might" be great. You pay what he's worth today.
Been working in real estate market for years and I see deals like that happens everyday from some ignorant buyers (pays a lot for a building because he thinks the rents will go up infinitely and life will be wonderful forever) and when the markets turns around they get screwed and wonder what happened.
On the hand, great buyers tend to pay what a land or building worth today and not a cent more than that. In most cases, they turned out to be right.
Also by saying "we should pay for what he's worth, not what he could be in the future" I see a contradiction here. Pogba's the example. His real market value isn't 70m, it's rather 30-40m at best but Juve is not willing to sell for that. Many fans from other clubs say Pogba's not worth that much and then Juve fans say he's worth it because you pay for the huge potential the kid has.
In the end it's the market that dictates the prices. There are big spenders in the game and with time there are more and more of those. Also the demand is bigger than the supply all the time so it helps with getting bigger money. Juve not being a club basing on its youth has to buy and there's no way around that.
As for Iturbe I think he would be good here. Last season I've seen him a bit and he's got everything a player needs to succeed. IMO his biggest downside is decision making as he quite often decides to dribble instead of passing and the other way round but that can be fixed and will be by Conte. The guy has made quite a big progress throughout the season and there's nothing that indicates he's hit his max. Only bench could do him wrong at this point IMO.
Again there are clubs who would pay 60-70 mil for a potential like Pogba because they simply can afford it (PSG paid around 45 mil to Lucas potential, but they can afford it) if things went wrong then they can survive.
In our case, if things goes wrong we'll get screwed big time.
Just look at how many players who paid a lot for and now we can't get rid of them.
In our case, if things goes wrong we'll get screwed big time.
Just look at how many players who paid a lot for and now we can't get rid of them.
Yeah that's right but none forces us to spend big on the kid. It's the decision that management makes with Conte and nothing can be done about it. They surely realize what can be done and what cannot. If we had Berlusconi - Galliani - Inzaghi I'd be afraid of the deal for those money.
Yesterday there was a report saying we offer 18m + Quag. Today it's 21m + Quag. I think the management knows what they're doing.
Yesterday there was a report saying we offer 18m + Quag. Today it's 21m + Quag. I think the management knows what they're doing.
As for the prices inflation in the market right now, I'd say some people in this forum perhaps are not old enough to remember serie A clubs during late 90' early 2000 when players were traded for 30-40-50 mil easily (do people remember the average mendieta who was brought fro 40 mil back then) and many many others.
So high prices is not a new phenomena in this sport it's been happening for the past 20-15 years. But many clubs even today pays reasonable fees for quality players. Others pay stupid money.
So high prices is not a new phenomena in this sport it's been happening for the past 20-15 years. But many clubs even today pays reasonable fees for quality players. Others pay stupid money.
I do remember those times but my point still stands. Today those kind of money you have to pay for every one season wonder today. Those are very common prices nowadays and even though back then there were clubs paying that much it doesn't mean it was a standard price.
My point is it's gotten worse. Prices went up significantly no matter how you look at it.
My point is it's gotten worse. Prices went up significantly no matter how you look at it.
I tend to disagree with that. One of serie A best players was sold for a mere 20 mil last season (Hernanes), look at players that arsenal keep signing for a very reasonable prices every year (apart from Ozil).
Infact other than City, sometimes United, Chelsea, PSG, Madrid and Barca (Russian clubs) who are paying these huge fees the rest are paying normal prices (around 15-20 mil prices)
Infact other than City, sometimes United, Chelsea, PSG, Madrid and Barca (Russian clubs) who are paying these huge fees the rest are paying normal prices (around 15-20 mil prices)
If I'm not mistaken Hernanes had 1.5y contract left and was not willing to extend it. Correct me if I'm wrong.
While the clubs mentioned are big spenders and mostly they do that there are lesser clubs doing the same more and more. BVB bought Mikhytarian (that's how you spell it?) for 30m, before Atletico bough Falcao for ~60m Napoli Higuain for 40m, Tottenham 30m for Lamela, Liverpool spends big money for guys like Caroll and Lallana all the time.
Another thing is Juve wants to be on the level with big spenders rather than those smaller ones. It's a process that won't happen overnight but it's clear as day we're growing and willing to take the road other big clubs took. None forces us to spend big but on the other hand it's very hard to strengthen the team once you have the core because not everyone will help you to take another step forward. At this point it's hard to go any further without money.
In the end prices went up. If let's say Juve comes after player 'X' the selling clubs says 30m and Juve says it's too much they say no deal because they know City/Chelsea/PSG/Monaco will pay that if they're interested. In the end there are more and more big spenders in the game and the prices did go up because of that.
While the clubs mentioned are big spenders and mostly they do that there are lesser clubs doing the same more and more. BVB bought Mikhytarian (that's how you spell it?) for 30m, before Atletico bough Falcao for ~60m Napoli Higuain for 40m, Tottenham 30m for Lamela, Liverpool spends big money for guys like Caroll and Lallana all the time.
Another thing is Juve wants to be on the level with big spenders rather than those smaller ones. It's a process that won't happen overnight but it's clear as day we're growing and willing to take the road other big clubs took. None forces us to spend big but on the other hand it's very hard to strengthen the team once you have the core because not everyone will help you to take another step forward. At this point it's hard to go any further without money.
In the end prices went up. If let's say Juve comes after player 'X' the selling clubs says 30m and Juve says it's too much they say no deal because they know City/Chelsea/PSG/Monaco will pay that if they're interested. In the end there are more and more big spenders in the game and the prices did go up because of that.
But think about this for a second, how many clubs out there who are willing to spend big on Iturbe ?
Personally I believe other than Roma there are not many clubs that are interested in the guy.
By the way I don't buy the news that milan are after him and if it's true then there is no way they'll willing to spend close to 20 mil on him. That's just bull shiit rumor invented by berlosconi media whenever we show an interest in any serie A player.
Personally I believe other than Roma there are not many clubs that are interested in the guy.
By the way I don't buy the news that milan are after him and if it's true then there is no way they'll willing to spend close to 20 mil on him. That's just bull shiit rumor invented by berlosconi media whenever we show an interest in any serie A player.
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