Javier Mascherano - CB/DM - Barcelona (5 Viewers)

Stevie · May 30, 2016

Knowing now what he did for us he was worth double but back then there is no chance anyone would of been happy paying that iirc there were a lot of people unhappy at us even taking him for free.

Akshen · May 30, 2016

The difference is that back then Pirlo was considered finished as a player by many, while Masche is still one of the best for most people.

Robee · May 30, 2016

On the other hand Pirlo's playing style is about the least physical dependent ever seen by mankind, whereas Mascherano is completely dependent on it.

It doesn't matter 'though. Either they release him for a fair price or we will walk away.

Zacheryah · May 30, 2016

Robee said:

Thats absolutely not true. i'd advice to watch the argentina games.

Mascherano is a midfield controller when the team isnt in possession. He'll lead and direct himself and players around him on when to cover, press, close down. His tactical vision is at least as good as Marchisio's, but he has the huge added value of knowing when to mark which player closer, and when to make what kind of tackle, while beeing extremely good in anticipating and executing tackles.

A good example was at the world cup when he picked up Robben going trough the defence. Best example of his tactical reading of the game, added with the perfect tackle.

His 'physical aspect' is that he'll always win the duel on the midfield. I havent seen a single game in which he played CDM and his team wasent totally domminating the midfield. He is excellent at coordinating the players around him to close down gaps.

Good example was 2014 WC final. Germany had worldclass all over the midfield(Kroos, Muller, Khedira, schweinsteiger, ozil), while Mascherano just had fucking mediocre Biglia next to him, holding the midfield behind 4 offensive players that dont defend for shit. Yet he still domminated the midfield, but was let down by the forwards.

The only physical aspect he's declining in, is pace. Big deal. He's faster then Khedira and has better positionning and vision.

GordoDeCentral · May 31, 2016

Masch can play cb till he's 38

Hust · May 31, 2016

yezzir

DelpieroForLife · May 31, 2016

As long as the sum to sign Masch won't effect our capability to sign Pjanic/Gomes I don't mind going as high as 30M. Quality ain't cheap and Masch will instantly improve our starting eleven.

baggio · May 31, 2016

Benatia, Alves, Masch, Pjanic, Berardi/Cavani/Batyushai/Dzeko/Ibra.

Is this possible financially in this mercato? The reason I see Benatia as big a need as Masch can obviously play CB, but I think he is happier in midfield and hasn't been happy being deployed there by Enrique. Don't want him to have the same issue at Juve.

memo · May 31, 2016

is totally posible
but is not posible because of the squad rules
u know
25 players
4 HG and 4 italian grown

that mercato without benatia is the most likely

il brutto · May 31, 2016

baggio said:

We don't need both Benatia and Mascherano, would be a waste of money to buy Benatia when we already have enough cover for the defense.

Valerio. · May 31, 2016

baggio said:

As others said if we really sign Mascherano what's the use of Benatia? Benny Broken Benatia?

Alves = for free
Mascherano= 15-20m
Pajnic 35-38m
Berardi= 25m

it's totally doable. Leaving out the likes of Cavani and Ibra. Why would one even want Dzeko is a mistery to me. Recently he broke is knee so he is a goner.....

The biggest struggle would be Pjanic as they want all the money in one go.
But with Morata leaving and Real giving 30m cash we should be able to get him.
I do really hope we get Pjanic before Gomes. After we sign Pjanic they can try whatever they want but we need the Rome midfielder

JuveJay · May 31, 2016

baggio said:

I don't think we'll go for Benatia. Dzeko?

Out
Morata €30m (€2.5m p/a)
Pereyra €18-20m (€1.5m)
Asamoah / Sturaro €18-20m (€1.5m)
Neto loan (€2m)
Caceres €0 (€2m)
+ Cuadrado (€3m)

Total: ~€70m + €12.5m p/a

In
Dani Alves €0 + €3.5m p/a
Mirante €2m + €0.8m
Morata replacement €30-35m + €3.5m
Mascherano €18-20m + €4m
Pjanic / André Gomes €38m + €3.5m
Berardi €25m + €2.5m

Total: ~€118m + €17m p/a

Not exactly like this but along these lines.

I don't think we'd need the extra central defender with both Mascherano and Mandragora capable of playing there.

Roman · May 31, 2016

JuveJay said:

Sounds very realistic.
We even can allow ourselves to bring Morata's replacement AND Berardi(which will be a deal including Caprari and Lapadula to reduce cash fee).

JuveJay · May 31, 2016

Yes I realised I forgot Berardi here too so I update this

It might be that we pay less for Morata's replacement with Berardi in mind, take another chance on a younger €20-25m signing with a smaller salary.

It's also possible that we might sell the likes of Zaza or Hernanes, so who really knows. Looking at our potential squad for next season Hernanes is looking increasingly obsolete.

zizinho · May 31, 2016

Mandragora :tup:

Would be nice if we keep him till Marchisio is back since we arent getting Diawara it seems

Valerio. · May 31, 2016

JuveJay said:

Neto will never go on loan. Juventus will sell him and for a 10m fee. He is young and a long term contract with us. IF he wants to go to play elsewhere they have to pay.

Pjanic/Gomes wages will be higher than that. Gomes already earn that much in Valencia and to get Pjanic you have to offer him at least 4,5-5m (rumors he is asking 5m/year)
Asamoah 18m is impossible for a player who in the past 2 years passed most of the time injured.

Anyway we don't have to make a +/- 0 transfer window man. So is still doable.
Plus you forgot that Bayern has to pay us 4m for the second year of loan for Coman. Unless they decide to buy Coman now and give us 25m

Osman · May 31, 2016

JuveJay said:

Thats the ideal scenario with Cuadrado and Morata confirmed gone. But I somehow doubt bouth Pereyra and Asamoah/Sturaro are gone.

But in first glance if we compare it position by position as best as possible, this is how I see in terms of improvement or not.

Dani Alves >>>>>> Caceres (if dont get CB its better comparing him to Alves)
Mirante < Neto but barely so, so its not really important.
New attacker < Morata defenitely, I cant see us getting someone better even if they might be more clinical them him, Alvaro's qualities are unique.
Mascherano >>>>>>> huge upgrade on Asamoah/Sturaro, gigantic upgrade.
Pjanic/Gomes >>> Pereyra Big leap in quality hopefully whoever it is.
Berardi < Cuadrado, the colombian will be hard to replace him with the element he added, even if I like Berardi and they dont truly play or function in same way, in first glance Colombian looks better. But Berardi might suprise and be super effective with what we missed from Cuadrado being added by Alves and Pjanic/Gomes instead more.

In overall this would be an upgrade for the team tho minus the Morata part (it depends entirely on how good his replacement is), because Alves, Mascherano and Pjanic/Gomes would be big upgrades IMO.

But somehow I dont see how it will all function with us signing a new CF on top of having Berardi, and then having AM signing, will be peculiar to see what they planning.

baggio · May 31, 2016

il brutto said:

Valerio. said:

Like I said guys, I see Masch coming in for the midfield more than the defense. As capable as he is there, I don't think he himself wants to play there and will probably seek some kind of clarity on his role at the team before signing if it came to fruition. The reason I like the Benatia deal is coz the guy is the best defender in the world on his day, and his injuries mean we can play it to our favour with a loan plus option kind of deal. Win win.

JuveJay said:

Benatia will cost us nothing to be honest. I can see it as a loan with option. He is a realistic long term option for that role, and will make the Barzagli transition easier on us than Mandagora would, who while being HG, may not still be a bygone conclusion coz the club will give him a month or so to convince Allegri. Apart from the wages, Benatia she be doable on just the offset of say half of Comans loan payment for this season. Dzeko, I didn't know about his broken knee, but could see him as a creative solution to the Morata problem, incase we gave up Zaza in the zPjanic chase. Dybala, Mandzukic, Brardi, Dzeko.

JuveJay · May 31, 2016

Valerio. said:

It would be a paid loan, probably for a couple of million. You don't think he'd accept? For me Neto's statements when he arrived suggested he joined Juventus with a long-term plan in mind, a 1-2 year loan to the post-Gigi era may well be on his mind. Ultimately we probably need to sign Mirante for the HG rule.

il brutto · May 31, 2016

baggio said:

He would play in the midfield only in emergency we would use him in defense. I think Benatia is PL bound.

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