It's OK to be a man but definitely not OK to be Elvin (2 Viewers)

[Byrone]

I dont know if the article is more disturbing or that Elvin actually thinks that trash is an interesting read.

 

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[X Æ A-12]

It was interesting to read but no more credible than a feminists paper on why men are idiots. This is just more battle of the sexes nonsense by someone who never got over getting dumped or rejected by a member of the opposite sex, and yes I read the whole thing

 

[JCK]

Wtf is that?

Elvin, why do you hate women so much? Your mother didn't love you enough? (not trying to be sarcastic)

 

[Byrone]

Who changed the title?

 

[JCK]

A middle aged man who is drunk with power on an internet forum.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

The title

 

[X Æ A-12]

A middle aged man who is drunk with power on an internet forum.

You are a middle aged man?

 

[JCK]

You are a middle aged man?

I am 35 years old, does that count as middle aged? I, personally, have no clue and frankly don't care.

 

[X Æ A-12]

I am 35 years old, does that count as middle aged? I, personally, have no clue and frankly don't care.

Fair enough, I guess I pictured you differently

 

[JCK]

Fair enough, I guess I pictured you differently

Did you picture me as a 14 year old? Because I'd consider that as a compliment.

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

What do u think?

 

[X Æ A-12]

No, more of a mid 20's unemployed living with your mother spending most of his time on the computer type

 

[X Æ A-12]

What do u think?

, that should be changed to "My head is up my ass because I think I am to good for Goal.com"

 

[Byrone]

What do u think?

I think its gross that your head is up your ass.

 

[Martin]

I dont know if the article is more disturbing or that Elvin actually thinks that trash is an interesting read.

Fak, now you made me wanna read it.

Okay, let's get to it. The introduction is an absolute baffler:

A small criticism I have of Zubaty's ideas on women is that I don't believe he has fully confronted the lack of consciousness in women, which leads him to see women as willful beings, and then to blame women for their actions. More realistically, most of the blame must lay at the feet of men, who should know better.

Fact: Women don't have minds. I guess that makes them plants.

Psychic events, I discovered, are mind events, ego events, arts like psychology and astrology and palmistry, which relate to what shape my ego is in today – what are the stars predicting for me today? – ego stuff.
Spiritual events, on the other hand, are beyond the ego, beyond the sights and sounds and visualizations and verbalizations we use to construct our world. Psychic teachings come from parts of California and New York and India. Spiritual teachings come from sitting quietly in a chair or watching babies sleep. Psychic events are sensual; spiritual events are outside the senses. And I might as well spit it out right now: psychic events are essentially feminine and spiritual events are overwhelmingly masculine. Women who break their minds out of the psychic swamp are few and far between.

O....kay. Raise your hand if you read that and thought it was complete babble.

To the Native American of the Pacific Northwest the man accorded the greatest prestige was the one who, at the annual Potlatch ceremony, gave the most away! He gave away the most salmon, the most honey, the most furs, and he gave away the most prayers; for everyone understood a real man could always get more of what people needed and therefore he had no need to hoard any of it! This is masculine thinking.

So... males are givers. Then females are... takers?

We don't have the faintest idea what it means to be men anymore. Our male models are reconstituted women. They are the men women like, not the men God likes.

Another nut getting messages from god?

Starting 140 years ago, men were taken completely out of nature and sent in to the office and the factory where they manufacture and sell more items to make women's lives easier.

So it's all the womens' fault that our lives do not consist of hard labor farming, mining and so on, instead we have all the modern conveniences. All because women sent us to offices. Damn you, women!

Thus, men have been maneuvered into doing work that historically, for 2.2 million years, had been women's work: farming and making pots.

Right, men never did any farming before the industrial age. They just sat around the house.

Children were removed from the daily companionship of their dads where they exchanged energy sowing, reaping, fishing, repairing wagon wheels, investigating bird's nests and hollow logs; and they were shunted off to school where they were raised, by and large, by women.

Right, because teaching has always been a female exclusive throughout the ages. Watch those evil women brainwash our poor defenseless male children.

Men don't need to do what women want; men need to do what the Deer God wants.

Who the f is the Deer God? Did he come to you in a dream?

It hasn't taken women very long to figure out that they can do men's work because, after all, now men's work is mostly all women's work.

So first women did all the work. This was women's work. Then they pushed all the men into this work. But it was still the original women's work. But now they've discovered they can take over men's work. Because it's always really been women's work. Even though at one point they didn't want their own work, pushing all the men into it.

Pursuit of happiness is primarily a female goal. Pursuit of the mysteries of life is primarily a male goal.

I don't know about you but I have no use for happiness.

You want to know what has happened to us men? Look at Native Americans. The decay and dissolution we see in them is the exact same thing that has happened to all of us. What we are seeing on the reservation is a speeded up version of what Western society has done to all men – killed off the visionaries and turned the rest into a bunch of alcoholic businessmen. What they have gone through in the last 200 years is what we have gone through over the last 2,000.

The native americans, their story is just like ours. First women did all the work, then they made men do all the work, then made discovered booze and became alcoholics. And now women have all their old work back.

Women are people-oriented and men are object-oriented. That's why we see so many women buying crap in the malls and so many boys playing team sports. Have you ever been in a bachelor apartment? There's a stereo, one sheet, and a plastic spoon/fork from Kentucky Fried Chicken. Wait 'til the poor sucker gets married.

The first inkling of what on earth he means by "spiritual". I guess this means all the women are shallow materialists and the men are thinkers.

My ex is Jewish. My kids are Jewish. Morning minyan is the only place men can go to get away from the women and that's only because the women are still in bed. Judaism is a Matriarchy disguised as a Patriarchy. Jewish women obey no one – not their husbands, not their God. They are in many ways the mold for the type of women American society is producing.

Because women should always obey men. As the intro said, women have no consciousness.

Catholics pray more to Mary than to Jesus. And can you guess who Mary is? Mary is a JEWISH MOTHER.

Wait till the Vatican reads this. 2000 years of male rule was all the while infiltrated by women so that what the men thought were their own values that all the catholics adored were really female values.

We now live in a country where 60% of marriages end in divorce and half the kids are being brought up without dads. This is not men's fault. This is women's fault. 85% of divorce actions are filed by women. This does not mean that 85% of men are assholes. It means that 85% of women are profoundly unhappy with life.

Needless to say, divorce is always the consequence of one person's actions.

Is it not true that religious laws have a lot to say about wives being obedient to their husbands? Why would you think every single religion on the earth, in every existent culture, including the 120,000-year-old aboriginal culture, has strictures regarding this? Is it possible that the cultures that never took steps to curb the raw ambition of their women are not around any longer? Don't you imagine that some extinct culture in the last 120,000 years experimented with the total emancipation of women?

Wait, I thought the Catholics and the Jews are actually aligned with women not men? You must mean even older religions.

Ultimately, the main thing that gives a man meaning and purpose in his sorry life, the thing that gets him up in the morning and off to work at some stink-ass job, is the time he spends being enriched by his kids. Kids do that for men. They make us happy to be alive. Where does this society get off ripping that away from us and still expecting us to perform?

Oh, you mean the women that file for divorce. "society ripping that away from us". You wouldn't by any chance be divorced by a woman who filed for divorce, would you? Just checking.

Men know a lot of things women can never know. I have no doubt it is the same for women. Marriage was intended to achieve a golden mean between the practicality of women and the soaring inspiration of men.

We sure are inspiring *taps self proudly on shoulder*

Men have always been the dreamers, the poets, the artists, the imaginers. Men don't talk as much as women, not because they are insipid, but because they perceive reality differently. Men do not see the same things. We look for essence more than form.

Right, because women used to do all the work, which left us to such philosophical pursuits. Until they took that from us.

Men cast their nets into the sea of life, over and over again, mostly coming up empty. But eventually they bring in buckets full of many-colored fish, and women gather on the shore to sort them and haggle over the price. That's how the world works, from the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of Siam – not how you see it on TV where the men are stumbling, bumbling, inarticulate, incompetent fools who can't even answer the phone without dropping it on their foot.

So men are the bread winners. I thought you had a problem with women pushing us into work?

Women manipulate the bananas out of their kids, especially their sons, creating vicarious existences to supercharge their own dull egos – and they have the nerve to call that nurturing.

Yes, and the poor men just sit in a corner quietly and don't have the right to speak.

[School] That's where you went to learn to read so you could study the holy book which told you everything you needed to know about how to live a successful life in your given culture. That was school. Now you learn computers. Now you go to a place where you find out William Shakespeare was a great man, but you don't even hear the names of Jesus or Buddha or Moses or Mohammed or Krishna or Ahura Mazda or Black Elk. What kind of education could anyone possibly get in a place that ignores the major players in the growth and development of human civilization, but where students are trained to hang on the sensuous and undeniably compelling words of a possibly pseudonymous 16th Century actor?

Black Elk? Who is that? Btw such a shame you were taught computers at school, I'm sure you do much better to handwrite this essay of yours. No, scratch that, writing is also something you learned in evil women-run school. I guess you could make a recording of it and a woman with the power of literacy could transcribe it for you. You could easily pay for that with all the fish you caught this morning.

Before Astarte and her agricultural plotters a man never had to fear hunger because he could always say a prayer, pick up his bow, and go shoot a rabbit. Now they call that trespassing!

I know, women made all the laws that enforce property rights! Real estate, another female invention.

The neglect, indeed the rejection, of wisdom has gone so far that most of our intellectuals have not even the faintest idea what the term could mean. – E. F. Schumacher (an economist).

Did Schumacher know it? I hope so.

The problem is that our habitat is being destroyed. Our territory has been fenced and plowed under, our ivory sold for earrings, our children poached to serve institutions of higher something or other. We are being squeezed out by feminist values. There is scarcely a real man left alive.

Yeah, feminist values are horrible. The right to vote. Equal employment. Equal salary.

It has been shown that the right brain is bigger in men than in women. That is, men are naturally endowed with a greater physical brain capacity for embracing the spiritual and intuitive dimensions of life. Clearly this is the exact opposite of what we have been led to believe.

Is it? I have never been taught anything on this subject myself, but perhaps I'm the odd one out.

Art and spirituality, by definition, defy verbal description; they evoke sensations that are outside our normal repertoire of phonic symbols. Shortly I will show that females have better fine-hand motor skill aptitudes than men and that's why you see so many of them in arts and crafts classes making baskets and ceramic butterflies, but creative giants like Marc Chagall and Pablo Picasso could scarcely be accused of exercising fine motor skills. What they can be credited with is poking a maniac's peephole into the mind of God.

Chagall and Picasso had no motor skills, that's why their work is such a mess. I guess that also explains why there have been so few male painters.

Women have more emotions, men have deeper feelings.

Emotions != feelings

Maharishi has said that life is 100% Unity and 100% Diversity – probably the most direct statement of truth I have ever run across. He bids us to live in this fundamental paradox. This sort of koan opens a doorway in most men's minds, a vista on greater things. Most women go into spasms of dissociation when this thought ricochets around inside their skulls trying to find a solid place to land.

I guess that makes me a woman.

. . . We have shattered another toxic myth: women are not more attuned to relationships than men. In fact, men are more perceptive of relationships in all things. . . . Men, with more compartmentalized brains, have a whole different vista on the relationships between things and between people. Men don't worry too much about what they are feeling because they know that, just like the tides, those feelings will pass. Feelings are not any sort of constant, or anything substantial to run your life on. We don't like talking about emotions any more than we like talking about clothes. You have them. So what? They're not the basis of a life well lived.

Now that is one piece of wisdom! Whatever your feelings are, forget it. Doesn't matter. Tomorrow they'll change. They are no more important than what clothes you have.

Prehistoric woman, say Moir and Jessel, with a shorter life span and more pregnancies than modern women, could expect 10 menstruations in her life. Modern women can expect 400! We have to put up with 40 times more shit from our women than biology ever intended, and they expect us to believe that we are the problem. Contrary to toxic rumor, pregnant women are the happiest, most centered, women in the world. Women were intended to spend the great part of their young lives pregnant, not working in offices. It's a biological fact.

I would of course be debasing myself and you my worthy readers by pointing out the trivial fact that the number of menstruations are in direct proportion to their hosts' mental stability.

Men apply for ninety-nine percent of all patents. Genius may have a lot to do with the greater male facility for single-mindedness – separation of the brain spheres – say Moir and Jessel. We can stay in our right brain, our intuitive brain, for lengthy periods of time, as long as no one jerks us out of it by asking us where we put Bobby's muddy shoes. Talking is a form of mental abuse – violence – perpetrated against men, by women, on a constant, unremitting, incognizant basis day in and day out.

Yes, we are tormented by violence in the form of talking.

Shame, that deep feeling of worthlessness and helplessness, is precisely the result of withheld praise. Regarding my own mother I've always referred to it as "withdrawal of love". Even now, 43 years after the fact, she can set off an awful, depressing, manic, physical grinding in my stomach simply by withdrawing her love. Clearly she trained me to respond that way eons ago, before I had any sense of how anything works. In its way, it is sheer brutality. This is the meaning of Jesus' admonition that we must learn to hate our mother and father if we expect to find God – find inner peace.

Jesus said that? He was more of a crackpot than I gave him credit for.

In America and Europe, men's libidos are constantly being aggravated and stimulated. Soda ads, short skirts, magazine covers, beer commercials, ruthlessly stimulate his sex. His relentless exposure to things feminine keeps him in a constant state of sexual arousal – a testosterone nightmare of cruel pervasiveness which is not known in "primitive" societies.

I'm wondering if Elvin too is feeling persecuted by this.


I can't go on anymore. I must apologize to Elvin at this point. You're right, I judged prematurely. I thought this guy would be a slimy propagandist. Instead he's a nut without a coherent idea in his head.

 

[IrishZebra]

, because hardly anyone will healthily question you instead of trying to discredit right away.

Martin does the former 99% of the time

 

[Byrone]

Martin. I dont care if you dont care about rep but that was awesome! +rep!

 

[V]

I've found a whole new level of respect for Martin.

 

[Martin]

I've found a whole new level of respect for Martin.

If so the 20 minutes I put into it was totally worth it

 

[-=DJANGO=-]

I think its gross that your head is up your ass.

You think....:xfinger:


Now for the strict and honest moderators - you are right. I have to obey the rules of this site( )...
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Milano, 15:08
CALCIO, INTER; TIFOSO JUVE A MORATTI: 'ALZI COPPA DI CARTA'
Il presidente dell'Inter Massimo Moratti non ha potuto evitare la provocazione di un tifoso juventino, all'uscita dagli uffici della Saras. L'uomo, tra i 30 e i 40 anni, aveva in mano un foglio di carta con disegnata una coppa stilizzata e si è rivolto al presidente del'Inter dicendogli: "Presidente, mi può alzare questo foglio? Così, oltre agli scudetti di cartone, ha anche la Coppa". Il numero uno nerazzurro, un po' infastidito, gli ha chiuso tra le mani il foglio e si è allontanato. Anche nel marzo del 2007 un altro tifoso juventino urlò a Moratti di togliersi "lo scudetto di cartone".

Happy?