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LiquidPLP

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Jun 9, 2012
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Dude are you insane? It's two years and the destruction of a life. All just to make an example out of someone. And you think that's a good thing? No. This isn't justice. It's sickening.

I could come over to your place and cut off your dick to make it clear that posting dumb shit on Tuz is not allowed. I mean I'm sure you'd be an example and people would think twice, but would you call it justice?
Lol, I don't think you understood me but I guess I wasn't clear enough over this.

It doesn't matter to me if it's two days or two years. It's not up to you nor up to me to decide how much is enough. You say 6 months is ok which is bullshit because someone else could come in and say it's injustice, 3 months is enough. Another one could say one month. Your opinion is as good as the other two guys. Everything is relative, you have no monopoly on being right. Justice doesn't exist, because everything is relative since those are just people who make decisions. One will be satisfied while another will not. It's not decidable if we get into details.

There should be a paragraph for actions like this so everyone would know what awaits him/her for breaking the law. If you don't accept the law, you can leave it's as simple as that. If you break the law, face the consequences.

Also you can't say 6 months is enough because somewhere else someone got a punishment like this. For example: there are places in the World where you just get deported for illegally crossing a state's border but there are also places where you get a death punishment for this. Again, everything is relative and you have no monopoly on being right. In fact in this situation FIGC has (or some other institution created by government, who have monopoly on stating the law).

Punishment always have two purposes: punishing the guilty for breaking the law (here we assume that he'll learn his lesson and won't do that in the future) and making up for the loss of victim (obviously) but ALSO making an example, so others don't try to do that thing. Whether you like it or not it's like that, because government or any other institution want to have less and less cases happening. Otherwise people won't feel safe and probably leave (I'm more about state now but it works in pretty much the same way).
 

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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Lol, I don't think you understood me but I guess I wasn't clear enough over this.

It doesn't matter to me if it's two days or two years. It's not up to you nor up to me to decide how much is enough. You say 6 months is ok which is bullshit because someone else could come in and say it's injustice, 3 months is enough. Another one could say one month. Your opinion is as good as the other two guys. Everything is relative, you have no monopoly on being right. Justice doesn't exist, because everything is relative since those are just people who make decisions. One will be satisfied while another will not. It's not decidable if we get into details.

There should be a paragraph for actions like this so everyone would know what awaits him/her for breaking the law. If you don't accept the law, you can leave it's as simple as that. If you break the law, face the consequences.

Also you can't say 6 months is enough because somewhere else someone got a punishment like this. For example: there are places in the World where you just get deported for illegally crossing a state's border but there are also places where you get a death punishment for this. Again, everything is relative and you have no monopoly on being right. In fact in this situation FIGC has (or some other institution created by government, who have monopoly on stating the law).

Punishment always have two purposes: punishing the guilty for breaking the law (here we assume that he'll learn his lesson and won't do that in the future) and making up for the loss of victim (obviously) but ALSO making an example, so others don't try to do that thing. Whether you like it or not it's like that, because government or any other institution want to have less and less cases happening. Otherwise people won't feel safe and probably leave (I'm more about state now but it works in pretty much the same way).
Yes. I am a lawyer. But thank you for teaching me the several components of punishment.

Btw people are not really deterred by punishment. Especially not if they act on impulse as has happened here.

As for 6 months being arbitrary: that's not true at all. That you believe this shows me you haven't thought any of this through. Six months allows this player to stay at the club and develop further. A two year ban during arguably the most important developmental years means his career is over.
 

LiquidPLP

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Jun 9, 2012
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Yes. I am a lawyer. But thank you for teaching me the several components of punishment.

Btw people are not really deterred by punishment. Especially not if they act on impulse as has happened here.

As for 6 months being arbitrary: that's not true at all. That you believe this shows me you haven't thought any of this through. Six months allows this player to stay at the club and develop further. A two year ban during arguably the most important developmental years means his career is over.
Yes they are. Acting on impulse is an exception but not an excuse. If punishment is heavy and that lies somewhere at the back of their heads, players won't be as impulsive. I mean the trend because exceptions will always be there.

About the length let's just agree to disagree. Six months could be as bad as two years, again it's relative, because every person is different. You can't measure that anyhow it's just an assumption. The funny part is I never stated how much it should be but we have this argument.

The difference is that you're worried about his development while I'm not. He has to face consequences, he has only himself to blame at the end of the day. I'm sure he'll get it reduced though so now FIGC have something to come down from because even if he got 6 months, they would make an appeal. I'm sure they're making an example of him because behaviour like that is unacceptable. If FIGC doesn't fight this, then refs won't feel safe and they'll be worried to make decisions which will cause even more tension. So whether we like it or not, the 'example' thing is surely there.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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Yes they are. Acting on impulse is an exception but not an excuse. If punishment is heavy and that lies somewhere at the back of their heads, players won't be as impulsive. I mean the trend because exceptions will always be there.

About the length let's just agree to disagree. Six months could be as bad as two years, again it's relative, because every person is different. You can't measure that anyhow it's just an assumption. The funny part is I never stated how much it should be but we have this argument.

The difference is that you're worried about his development while I'm not. He has to face consequences, he has only himself to blame at the end of the day. I'm sure he'll get it reduced though so now FIGC have something to come down from because even if he got 6 months, they would make an appeal. I'm sure they're making an example of him because behaviour like that is unacceptable. If FIGC doesn't fight this, then refs won't feel safe and they'll be worried to make decisions which will cause even more tension. So whether we like it or not, the 'example' thing is surely there.
Dude, you are all over the place.

And of course you have to consider his development when handing out punishment. Every judge out there will always look at personal circumstances. And rightly so.
 

LiquidPLP

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Jun 9, 2012
12,237
Dude, you are all over the place.

And of course you have to consider his development when handing out punishment. Every judge out there will always look at personal circumstances. And rightly so.
When it comes to Europe, then yeah they certainly do but to say 'always' is pushing it because it's not like that everywhere. That's a matter for another discussion though. It's too late for me to carry it on now, have to wake up early tomorrow.
 

GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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Dude, you are all over the place.

And of course you have to consider his development when handing out punishment. Every judge out there will always look at personal circumstances. And rightly so.
When it comes to Europe, then yeah they certainly do but to say 'always' is pushing it because it's not like that everywhere. That's a matter for another discussion though. It's too late for me to carry it on now, have to wake up early tomorrow.
Look up the norms relating to law of durkheims mechanical vs organic solidarity
 

Fr3sh

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Jul 12, 2011
37,256
That is utterly ridiculous. Of course it's stupid behaviour from a 16 year old. But banning him for two years? That is intentionally destroying a career. Ban him for a month or two, hell maybe even six. Two years reeks of racism.
PSG fans and some influential ppl in France wanted Aurier incarcerated for his comments on periscope :lol:
 

X Æ A-12

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Sep 4, 2006
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doesnt look like there's much in it, so its excessive but still i don't feel sorry or him. Dafuq you doing hitting a ref when football is not just a game but your career? That's some next level stupid.
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
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Also Gnoukuri is just a kid, still in puberty and you can't expect him to make full rational decision like an adult, 2 years is beyond ridiculous.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,346
doesnt look like there's much in it, so its excessive but still i don't feel sorry or him. Dafuq you doing hitting a ref when football is not just a game but your career? That's some next level stupid.
'Hitting' him is already a serious exaggeration in itself. He barely touches him. No, this is an absolutely disgusting decision. Whoever reached this decision seems seriously unfit for the job and should be removed as soon as possible.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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'Hitting' him is already a serious exaggeration in itself. He barely touches him. No, this is an absolutely disgusting decision. Whoever reached this decision seems seriously unfit for the job and should be removed as soon as possible.
How long would you suspend them for? :D
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,346
How long would you suspend them for? :D
:D

In all seriousness, if I could indefinitely. This seems like the decision of an unstable person wanting to get back at society at the expense of a young man. At the very least it is obvious that there is no justice in this whatsoever. This person is simply not qualified to do the job he or she is supposed to do.

And the more I read about this case, the worse it gets. The referee is claiming he could not continue the game, because of the physical pain inflicted on him by Gnoukouri. The images clearly show this is a lie. This man is lying to get someone else convicted. And the judge is going along with it, despite visual evidence to the contrary.

I know I have no evidence to back this up, but no way they'd ever pull this shit on a white Italian.

And now that I've looked at the footage of the call that angered Gnoukouri in the first place.. Wow. This is malice.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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:D

In all seriousness, if I could indefinitely. This seems like the decision of an unstable person wanting to get back at society at the expense of a young man. At the very least it is obvious that there is no justice in this whatsoever. This person is simply not qualified to do the job he or she is supposed to do.

And the more I read about this case, the worse it gets. The referee is claiming he could not continue the game, because of the physical pain inflicted on him by Gnoukouri. The images clearly show this is a lie. This man is lying to get someone else convicted. And the judge is going along with it, despite visual evidence to the contrary.

I know I have no evidence to back this up, but no way they'd ever pull this $#@! on a white Italian.
But now someone will say you're lashing out and being unstable, so you're gonna get suspended for this. :D
 
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