[ITA] Serie A 2015/2016 (38 Viewers)
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Nah, totti was always the starter. And italian coaches were like "we can only field 1 because they dont track back". So they usually put totti on, because he had a bigger impact. Del Piero did score offcourse, but his level never reached the magic he produced at juventus.
At first he got some slack, and it ended up with totti getting the #10 shirt even. Wich is why i'm so happy in 2006 Del Piero FINALLY became decisive for Italy.
The 2006-2016 azzurri is quite different from the 1995-2005 one. They originally were loaded with stars, and it was about wanting to work for each other. Totti adapted better to that, while Del Piero was used at juve that the team was always working hard for each other.
In 2006 there was quite a shift. The azzurri got togheter because of calciopoli against the world. Since then, they have been a hardworking team with a few exceptional players, but the talent has going downhill quite hard in recent years.
If Del Piero would have been able to play in an Azzurri with todays hardworking image, i believe he would have done significantly better. Totti would be the same.
Important note, is that this characteristic of Totti to be able to perform despite the team not working for each other, means he wasted his career big time at Roma. Real Madrid has been trying to sign Totti for over a decade but he always declined.
He would have been able to thrive and become a better player then he already was.
At first he got some slack, and it ended up with totti getting the #10 shirt even. Wich is why i'm so happy in 2006 Del Piero FINALLY became decisive for Italy.
The 2006-2016 azzurri is quite different from the 1995-2005 one. They originally were loaded with stars, and it was about wanting to work for each other. Totti adapted better to that, while Del Piero was used at juve that the team was always working hard for each other.
In 2006 there was quite a shift. The azzurri got togheter because of calciopoli against the world. Since then, they have been a hardworking team with a few exceptional players, but the talent has going downhill quite hard in recent years.
If Del Piero would have been able to play in an Azzurri with todays hardworking image, i believe he would have done significantly better. Totti would be the same.
Important note, is that this characteristic of Totti to be able to perform despite the team not working for each other, means he wasted his career big time at Roma. Real Madrid has been trying to sign Totti for over a decade but he always declined.
He would have been able to thrive and become a better player then he already was.
Totti became the Azzurri star for the 2000 tournament, which was after DP's knee injury. There is no doubt in my mind that Del Piero would have been the star attacking player for that entire 1998---2010 period if not for that horrific injury that basically turned a guy who was on the ascendancy to potential best player in the world status, to just world class player, but no longer the once in a generation talent.
Sad day that was.
Sad day that was.
True that, but it doesnt take away the fact that there was a significant difference betweenn how he performed at juve and at the azzurri.
What i'm not getting tho, is the hate towards totti, or the mentality of people in general.
If crappy the shit goes like "ermagod, juve sucks cheaters", nobody fucking cares, because its crappy the shit, he's irrelevant. But people here, will respond to it.
Take totti. Magnificent player who played at an inferior team, like Di Natale. Roma isnt close to a rival of us, its not competition. Once in a while they play decent and win the second place. They are the same as Napoli and Fiorentina.
Nobody cares about Roma in europe. Italy is Juve/Inter/Milan. So why are we going to listen to what players from inferior teams say ? They are just butthurt at their blatant lack of achievements, while we have benchplayers who's trophee list is 25 times longer.
Seriously when someone like him says or does something you dont like, dont give it the satisfaction of seeing your annoyance. Just go like "sure thing m8, what century did you win your last price in"
What i'm not getting tho, is the hate towards totti, or the mentality of people in general.
If crappy the shit goes like "ermagod, juve sucks cheaters", nobody fucking cares, because its crappy the shit, he's irrelevant. But people here, will respond to it.
Take totti. Magnificent player who played at an inferior team, like Di Natale. Roma isnt close to a rival of us, its not competition. Once in a while they play decent and win the second place. They are the same as Napoli and Fiorentina.
Nobody cares about Roma in europe. Italy is Juve/Inter/Milan. So why are we going to listen to what players from inferior teams say ? They are just butthurt at their blatant lack of achievements, while we have benchplayers who's trophee list is 25 times longer.
Seriously when someone like him says or does something you dont like, dont give it the satisfaction of seeing your annoyance. Just go like "sure thing m8, what century did you win your last price in"
The mistake was signing Perisic and not a creative AM or a creative winger. Not only is Perisic not good (not worth the 20m), he also wasn't the right type of player to sign.
When everyone is healthy, Inter's best midfield combo is Brozovic-Melo-Kondogbia (Medel has been decent too this season). You have a DM in the pivot position there, a B2B in Kondogbia, and a mezzala in Brozovic. There's nothing wrong with that midfield as long as the creativity/playmaking is coming from farther up the pitch. In Inter's case, it isn't, and that's the problem with their attack.
Kondogbia wasn't a great signing in terms of value (not worth that high a price especially considering he had only one actual good season), but at least he was the right type of player. Inter had the problem Milan still do in midfield: They lacked any sort of mobility and ball-winning ability in addition to overall quality in midfield. That was their biggest weakness. That's why Kondogbia was the right type of player to sign.
Kovacic is overrated and isn't as good as many think he is.
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Pirlo was the best player of that WC, Zidane was the 3rd best. Zidane only began playing well in the knockout rounds, and many were surprised after he was chosen as the best player.
Totti wasn't good in WC 2006. But neither was he useless because his set piece deliveries were great. The fact that he was playing with one leg doesn't make his performances better. Not sure why people use that as an argument. That's the "why" topic, a different topic.
Neither Del Piero nor Totti did well in the blue shirt. And who was better between the two of them overall in their careers is a very tough question to answer. Del Piero's best (pre-injury ADP) was better than Totti's, but in terms of longevity, Totti is better. He played at a very high level for a long time. As you can see below, if we compare just goals, neither was better than the other in Serie A. Del Piero was definitely better in Europe.
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When everyone is healthy, Inter's best midfield combo is Brozovic-Melo-Kondogbia (Medel has been decent too this season). You have a DM in the pivot position there, a B2B in Kondogbia, and a mezzala in Brozovic. There's nothing wrong with that midfield as long as the creativity/playmaking is coming from farther up the pitch. In Inter's case, it isn't, and that's the problem with their attack.
Kondogbia wasn't a great signing in terms of value (not worth that high a price especially considering he had only one actual good season), but at least he was the right type of player. Inter had the problem Milan still do in midfield: They lacked any sort of mobility and ball-winning ability in addition to overall quality in midfield. That was their biggest weakness. That's why Kondogbia was the right type of player to sign.
Kovacic is overrated and isn't as good as many think he is.
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Pirlo was the best player of that WC, Zidane was the 3rd best. Zidane only began playing well in the knockout rounds, and many were surprised after he was chosen as the best player.
Totti wasn't good in WC 2006. But neither was he useless because his set piece deliveries were great. The fact that he was playing with one leg doesn't make his performances better. Not sure why people use that as an argument. That's the "why" topic, a different topic.
Neither Del Piero nor Totti did well in the blue shirt. And who was better between the two of them overall in their careers is a very tough question to answer. Del Piero's best (pre-injury ADP) was better than Totti's, but in terms of longevity, Totti is better. He played at a very high level for a long time. As you can see below, if we compare just goals, neither was better than the other in Serie A. Del Piero was definitely better in Europe.
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