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[Seven]

As always, the non-Italian, Totti-obsessed come out to defend their God.

Juve fans, propping Totti up.

Well, your point was that he screwed Italy over in 2002 by getting sent off. You must admit that's pretty weak when you look at not only the game, but also what became clear afterwards.

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I stick by my opinion. Totti is horribly overrated. Even with calciopoli the guy managed 1 scudetto in 20 years. And that was riding the coat tails of Batigol destroying Serie A that season. Very impressive from Totti.

You think Del Piero would have managed more had he been a Roma player? Genuine question.

 

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[Post Ironic]

Well, your point was that he screwed Italy over in 2002 by getting sent off. You must admit that's pretty weak when you look at not only the game, but also what became clear afterwards.

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You think Del Piero would have managed more had he been a Roma player? Genuine question.

Yes I do think Del Piero would have managed more.

I showed it once in an argument here long ago, but Totti was a quintessential destroy minnows, disappear against the big teams type player. His scoring record illustrates it perfectly both against Juve, Inter, Milan in Serie A, and in CL.

Del Piero on the other hand always showed up for Juve in CL and in big Serie A matches. And I think he easily would have made the difference for some of the many 2nd place finishes Roma has had during Totti's career.

 

[alexjuventino]

Please show me the personal insult in the quoted post? I certainly do resort to ad hominem at times, but the above is not one of them. Some Juve fans have a horrible habit of underrating Juve players and massively overrating other teams' players with some misguided ideas on objectivity.

I stick by my opinion. Totti is horribly overrated. Even with calciopoli the guy managed 1 scudetto in 20 years. And that was riding the coat tails of Batigol destroying Serie A that season. Very impressive from Totti.

And regardless of deserving the second yellow in 02 or not, it was the reason Italy lost that match. He put himself in that position with his first yellow.

 

[Seven]

Yes I do think Del Piero would have managed more.

I showed it once in an argument here long ago, but Totti was a quintessential destroy minnows, disappear against the big teams type player. His scoring record illustrates it perfectly both against Juve, Inter, Milan in Serie A, and in CL.

Del Piero on the other hand always showed up for Juve in CL and in big Serie A matches. And I think he easily would have made the difference for some of the many 2nd place finishes Roma has had during Totti's career.

Hmm. It's difficult to tell of course. I too think Del Piero might have done better. Mostly because apart from when playing for Italy, Del Piero did indeed rise to the occasion.

But still, Del Piero was always surrounded by world class attackers. As for Totti there were times he was the only man to mark. It becomes exponentially more difficult to score if the opposition has only you to look out for.

 

[Post Ironic]

Hmm. It's difficult to tell of course. I too think Del Piero might have done better. Mostly because apart from when playing for Italy, Del Piero did indeed rise to the occasion.

But still, Del Piero was always surrounded by world class attackers. As for Totti there were times he was the only man to mark. It becomes exponentially more difficult to score if the opposition has only you to look out for.

Sure it does become more difficult. But Totti chose to remain a big fish in a small pond, so either he wasn't good enough to be the big fish at a top team, or he had far too weak a mentality for it.

Ale was either the best atracking player in those Juve squads. And imo, Totti would have just been another piece at a big squad like those Juve teams. He didn't have the mentality, nor was he good enough at rising to the occasion, to be the best/leader at a big team.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Sure it does become more difficult. But Totti chose to remain a big fish in a small pond, so either he wasn't good enough to be the big fish at a top team, or he had far too weak a mentality for it.

Ale was either the best atracking player in those Juve squads. And imo, Totti would have just been another piece at a big squad like those Juve teams. He didn't have the mentality, nor was he good enough at rising to the occasion, to be the best/leader at a big team.

Just stop. Totti is cunt, but he showed he was the real. Big fish in a small pond is reserved to players like Di Natale who is vastly overrated on this forum.

 

[Post Ironic]

Just stop. Totti is cunt, but he showed he was the real. Big fish in a small pond is reserved to players like Di Natale who is vastly overrated on this forum.

Totti showed he was "the real"?

I saw rare flashes of this. And I saw Batigol carry him to his one Serie A title.

So no, I won't stop. Vastly overrated here.

 

[Seven]

Totti showed he was "the real"?

I saw rare flashes of this. And I saw Batigol carry him to his one Serie A title.

So no, I won't stop. Vastly overrated here.

You mock him for a simple mistake, yet you wrote ale was the best atracking player..

 

[il brutto]

Immature people trying to make their points heard is like me trying to stand on my head it just doesn't work. Why can't people just get along and move to the next subject.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Totti showed he was "the real"?

I saw rare flashes of this. And I saw Batigol carry him to his one Serie A title.

So no, I won't stop. Vastly overrated here.

You're acting like Rus. There's a reason non Juve fans rate Totti higher than Ale' (I'm not saying it's because Totti is the better player). Lots of good players were abysmal, when they represented the Italian nt - Totti was not one of them.

 

[Vlad]

Totti showed he was "the real"?

I saw rare flashes of this. And I saw Batigol carry him to his one Serie A title.

So no, I won't stop. Vastly overrated here.

Come on now. This is getting absurd. Totti was as important as Batigoal in that season, important cog in the wheel for Roma and despite playing as an attacking mid he still had impressive numbers (goals & assist) while dictating the play for them from the middle. You see what happens when he was surrounded with couple of talented players in attack, instead of mediocre bunch that he was surrounded with for the most of his career.

And why the fuck would you blame Totti for Moreno being corrupt sob, that instead of awarding penalty for Italians which would have ended the game, he gave him a yellow for diving? The guy was arrested later on for smuggling heroin ffs.

Apropos of rising to the occasion, Del Piero singlehandedly ruined Italy's chances to win the final in 2000, by missing two sitters. Totti's moment of ingenuity ensured that Italy would take a lead and he put Ale in a great chance to kill the game btw with sublime pass. He was for many player of the tournament.

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[am0110]

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[Vialli_92]

Del Piero was better before his injury. Del Piero was just never the same player without his speed unfortunately. He had to change his game and position to play with less speed.

He was a phenomenon on that wing when he ran at defenders and got passed them for fun. We never got to see his true potential after his injury.

I never seen enough of Totti in his good days, all i know is that Totti was a cunt and never tested himself at the highest level at club level.

 

[Post Ironic]

Come on now. This is getting absurd. Totti was as important as Batigoal in that season, important cog in the wheel for Roma and despite playing as an attacking mid he still had impressive numbers (goals & assist) while dictating the play for them from the middle. You see what happens when he was surrounded with couple of talented players in attack, instead of mediocre bunch that he was surrounded with for the most of his career.

And why the fuck would you blame Totti for Moreno being corrupt sob, that instead of awarding penalty for Italians which would have ended the game, he gave him a yellow for diving? The guy was arrested later on for smuggling heroin ffs.

Apropos of rising to the occasion, Del Piero singlehandedly ruined Italy's chances to win the final in 2000, by missing two sitters. Totti's moment of ingenuity ensured that Italy would take a lead and he put Ale in a great chance to kill the game btw with sublime pass. He was for many player of the tournament.

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Totti had 13 goals and 7 assists in the scudetto winning year playing as AM and SS at times. Batigol scored 20 and Cafu led the team with 10 assists. Totti had a good year but Batigol was the reason they won that scudetto. That and Juve choking. Aside from this, Totti had many chances to go prove he wasn't just a big fish in a small pond. He didn't have to remain at Roma when they tore apart that 2001 team a couple years later. He chose to remain there and remain as an also-ran for his entire club career. And he won nothing. He wasn't good enough to lead Roma to titles even post-calciopoli. So all-time great? I think not. Big fish in a provincial squad. That's my opinion of him, and his career backs this up.

Del Piero did miss some ridiculous chances in that 2000 final. I'd never deny it. But his CL and Serie A record against better teams are fantastic. Aside from the fact DP was never really the same player after his injury, he still managed to be more impressive than Totti.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

We should win some environmentalist award, so much recycling

 

[Post Ironic]

We should win some environmentalist award, so much recycling

I'm trying to do my part

 

[Vlad]

Totti had 13 goals and 7 assists in the scudetto winning year playing as AM and SS at times. Batigol scored 20 and Cafu led the team with 10 assists. Totti had a good year but Batigol was the reason they won that scudetto. That and Juve choking. Aside from this, Totti had many chances to go prove he wasn't just a big fish in a small pond. He didn't have to remain at Roma when they tore apart that 2001 team a couple years later. He chose to remain there and remain as an also-ran for his entire club career. And he won nothing. He wasn't good enough to lead Roma to titles even post-calciopoli. So all-time great? I think not. Big fish in a provincial squad. That's my opinion of him, and his career backs this up.

Del Piero did miss some ridiculous chances in that 2000 final. I'd never deny it. But his CL and Serie A record against better teams are fantastic. Aside from the fact DP was never really the same player after his injury, he still managed to be more impressive than Totti.

It was never meant to be ADP vs Totti, as I rate Ale higher between the two. I consider him (DP) more talented and influential player as well as being model of proffessional. Only disagree with you assessment of Totti, who at the peak of his career was briliant player, as proven by impressive amount of ridiculously good goals and assists, while at times pulling all the strings for them in the middle. He started his career as a midfielder, then gradually moved higher up the pitch. Roma wouldn't have won Scudetto without Totti, just like they wouldn't have won it withouth Batistuta or Cafu, maybe even Montella. I recall Tommasi as well to be important for them. Juve's Scudetto triumphs also would have had an imprint of several players beside Alex. Various Viallis, Zidanes, Trezeguets, Nedveds, Ibrahimović...

Roma post calciopolli was crap, like most of other Italian clubs besides Inter. Would he have had better career at some bigger club, surrounded with better player that would release the pressure off him? Maybe, maybe not, Roma's 2001 team would be as closest to a big club as it gets for him, but you have to feel some kind of respect for him that he decided to stay at his childhood club for his entire career.

 

[Ocelot]

Just stop. Totti is cunt, but he showed he was the real. Big fish in a small pond is reserved to players like Di Natale who is vastly overrated on this forum.

You have made a not very powerful enemy today my friend.

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Perisic is doing okay.

It's Kondogbia that is looking like a waste of cash just now.

Inter desperately need someone who can pass the ball reasonably in midfield.

And Inter have been extremely reliant on Handanovic this season, so I don't quite understand the praise their defence has been getting or the alleged defensive ability of their midfielders.

That really was painfully obvious to literally everyone since the start of the season, one of those things were I have no idea how professional coahces & sporting directors couldn't realise it.

 

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[Zacheryah]

Totti was better with the azzurri, Del Piero was better at clublevel, especially before his injury.


Its a common idea alex always underperformed at the azzurri in italy