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catch22

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He scored against:

Fiotentina, Udinese, Juve, Napoli, Roma, Lazio.



In 2012 with Sampdoria, he was not even a starter and was on his first serie A season ever. He scored against Juve (3) and against Roma (1).

In 2013 with Inter, he scored against Juve (1), Fiorentina (1) and Lazio (1).

In 2014 with Inter, he scored against Udinese (2), Juve (2), Napoli (1), Roma (1)

In 2015 with Inter, he scored against Fiorentina (1).

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Wait, since when is Udinese a big club? Especially Strama's Udinese who were fucking awful. He scored a 90th minute penalty against Napoli. He also only scored 1 goal in all of Inter's EL games last season (he scored 4 goals against the Icelandic team in qualifying).

He is typically practically invisible in big games. Except against this club.
 

Hist

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Wait, since when is Udinese a big club? Especially Strama's Udinese who were $#@!ing awful. He scored a 90th minute penalty against Napoli. He also only scored 1 goal in all of Inter's EL games last season (he scored 4 goals against the Icelandic team in qualifying).

He is typically practically invisible in big games. Except against this club.
So wait EL teams are the big games?
Not Napoli, Fiorentina, Roma, Lazio and Juventus? The guy scores against every big team in Italy and especially the biggest one with very high regularity and you still somehow call him a big game flop?


If a player is a big game choker of some sorts he will not score every single time he faces the biggest team in the league.
If a player is a big game choker then he will not score against every big team he faced in the league.
Icardi did score against us almost every single time he faced us and scored against every big team in Italy except Milan.

If he was a Juve player you'd be comparing him to Aguero.
 

catch22

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There are plenty of Inter players I like. Icardi isn't one of them, if he was a Juve player I would be pissed off. I don't like Mandzukic much either, but he at least works very hard. I feel Icardi is a limited poacher who despite having good goal stats holds his side back.

As for the EL. They weren't exactly all big teams (Celtic and Wolfsburg are), but they were important games for Inter as winning the EL and getting a CL spot was one of their goals.
 

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I feel Icardi is a limited poacher who despite having good goal stats holds his side back.
Not a fan of Trezeguet, I take it?

As for the EL. They weren't exactly all big teams (Celtic and Wolfsburg are), but they were important games for Inter as winning the EL and getting a CL spot was one of their goals.
Why would you judge teams based on whether they are a 'big team' rather than whether they are a good team?
 

Hist

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Because then he'd have to admit that he is a very good player. If he can terrorize juve every season( a team that has defensively been the best in Europe since 2011)since he was at sampdoria and also scored against Napoli and Roma (the best two teams in Italy after juve) then he won't be able to use the fact that icardi hasn't scored against Milan against him
 

Post Ironic

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So wait EL teams are the big games?
Not Napoli, Fiorentina, Roma, Lazio and Juventus? The guy scores against every big team in Italy and especially the biggest one with very high regularity and you still somehow call him a big game flop?


If a player is a big game choker of some sorts he will not score every single time he faces the biggest team in the league.
If a player is a big game choker then he will not score against every big team he faced in the league.
Icardi did score against us almost every single time he faced us and scored against every big team in Italy except Milan.

If he was a Juve player you'd be comparing him to Aguero.
Icardi isn't really any different from Ciro Immobile, a big fish at a small pond. Likely a small fish at any good club. Inter ran their offensive gameplay for him last year. Same deal with immobile at Torino. I think they are both decent-good players but nothing more than that. They'll do well at mid table clubs like Torino and Inter since Icardi has been there, but that's it.

Whereas Morata is a player that has already proven he can dominate in the CL for one of the biggest clubs in the world. He has so much more to his game than Icardi, and until Icardi has the pressure of needing to score week in and week out to keep his team gunning for European success (which he failed miserably at in EL knockouts) or the very least for a real scudetto challenge, I'll see him as a good mid-table club player and nothing more. Immobile 2.0
 

Post Ironic

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What rubbish :rofl:

Icardi is a killer, he'll do great in the CL if Inter make it of if he moves to a better club.
:lol:

Immobile was Serie A top scorer too, playing for a club that actually qualified for Europa due to all his goals, unlike Icardi's Inter. Look how he turned out.

You have no idea how he'd do at a major club. Neither do I. But it's equally likely he flops badly just like Immobile
 

catch22

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Not a fan of Trezeguet, I take it?
Trez is from a different era. I believe the time where a top team can have a striker who doesn't really contribute in built up play and just feeds off good ball is perhaps gone. All of the best teams in the world have steered away from Treq/Inzagi type players nowadays. Admittedly there are not that many/any players with their talents for finishing that are like them nowadays, but I don't think it's coincidence that the elite teams have all round forwards who can contribute in all aspects of play.

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Icardi is better than Morata right now.
Morata had 13 goals in 2065 minutes (Serie A and CL). A goal every 158 mins.

Icardi had 23 goals 3570 minutes (Serie A and EL). So a goal every 156 minutes (im not including Inter's matches against that icelandic team in EL qualifying)

And the Icardi took penalties, and Inter played some pretty average teams in the EL. Morata is superior when it comes to assists, key passes, chances created, and fouls received.


I seriously think people here have bloated opinions of Icardi based on his performances against us. I definitely think @Post Ironic has a point about Inter's attack all going through Icardi last season. I think it'll be interesting to see his goal stats at the end of this season with their more balanced attack. My feeling is that they won't be nearly as impressive
 

Valerio.

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Trez is from a different era. I believe the time where a top team can have a striker who doesn't really contribute in built up play and just feeds off good ball is perhaps gone. All of the best teams in the world have steered away from Treq/Inzagi type players nowadays. Admittedly there are not that many/any players with their talents for finishing that are like them nowadays, but I don't think it's coincidence that the elite teams have all round forwards who can contribute in all aspects of play.

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Morata had 13 goals in 2065 minutes (Serie A and CL). A goal every 158 mins.

Icardi had 23 goals 3570 minutes (Serie A and EL). So a goal every 156 minutes (im not including Inter's matches against that icelandic team in EL qualifying)

And the Icardi took penalties, and Inter played some pretty average teams in the EL. Morata is superior when it comes to assists, key passes, chances created, and fouls received.


I seriously think people here have bloated opinions of Icardi based on his performances against us. I definitely think @Post Ironic has a point about Inter's attack all going through Icardi last season. I think it'll be interesting to see his goal stats at the end of this season with their more balanced attack. My feeling is that they won't be nearly as impressive
Trezeguet or Inzaghi nowdays in Juve would score as much as Messi or Ronaldo. Given all the chances we have to score but fail to put toward the net!
Trezeguet could touch 2 balls in 90mins but still score twice. Nowdays we need 20chances to score once or at best twice. Would take Inzaghi or Trezeguet anytime anyday above "modern strikers". They'd blow Serie A away. Just look at the 38yrs old Luca Toni last year.
 

catch22

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I agree that Trez and Inzagi need less chances to score, but having them in your side means the side would create less chances, and would turn over the ball more often because they're less of an outlet, and because they're not as good in possession, and there would be an overall decrease in overall output.

Toni is a fantastic example. Put him in this side last year and he very well might score more often than Tevez did, but the total output of the side would decrease, and substantially.
 
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