[ITA] Serie A 2014/2015 (22 Viewers)

Dino_mk · Jan 31, 2015

Hist said:

All this players transfers, without Gigi, costed us what 25-30 M€. I believe in another miracle from the great man Bepe

Seriously speaking u have great points in ur post.

Roman · Jan 31, 2015

Dino_mk said:

Now read this:

Roman said:

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zizinho · Jan 31, 2015

Hist said:

Why so? They still have great talents on that squad after you take away the old players like Totti and Maicon.

In defense, they have astori (27), Castan (28), Manolas (23), who are all good players and young. The rest are not very good or old.
In midfield they have Florenzi (23), Radja (26), Pjanic (25), Salah (23), Strootman (25)
In attack they have Doumbia (27), Gervinho (27), Iturbe (22), Ljajic (24).

Add two years to each player's age and De Rossi as their veteran player and you'll find a very good squad without even diving into the market.

We on the other hand will be losing Tevez, Llorente, Buffon, Barzagli, Pirlo, Pogba, Lichsteiner, Evra and even possibly Vidal. Marchisio and Chiellini will be our veterans. We will definitely be doing a lot of buying in a short span of time and that instability ought to reflect on performance during the same time their team should be completely gelled and matured without adding the new players they will get too.

They would be idiots if they dont capitalize on that turbulence amongst our ranks and win. On paper they are more future oriented than we are but whether they'll ever grow the character needed for winning while we build a new cycle is something else. If we dont keep winning then thats understandable given the changes we will have to go through and Allegri cannot be faulted for that but if Roma doesn't win the league within 2-3 years then that would simply be a massive failure on Garcia.

this is wrong on so many levels

Hust · Jan 31, 2015

@Hist vs @Hustini @Lion @Roman @zizinho @Pirlo's Beard

Lion · Jan 31, 2015

ShuT up hustini. U are such an annoying little maggot.

piotrr · Jan 31, 2015

I hate Roma, but seeing empty stadiums in Serie A really saddens me.

zizinho · Jan 31, 2015

Roman · Jan 31, 2015

Hustini said:

Hist · Jan 31, 2015

Roman said:

Rugani, Coman, Berrardi and Zaza are bigger question marks than Castan, Astori, florenzi or strootman. Also the four you mentioned arent part of our squad yet and so even in the unlikely event that they all turn out good, Juve still has to see all its main stars go and replacements come in to start a new cycle. If we sell Pogba for 100 mills and use it on very good new players they will still take time to gel and it is still a period of instability.

My point is that we will have to undergo a rapid transformation while they dont. They have a good backbone already that will last them for long while we have to buy plenty and get them to gell. In this regard they have an advantage.

After our new squad is in place that advantage will be gone. If they dont win while they have it they will never get another chance. We will have a young squad too and we will be a lot more financially powerful than they are.

Hust · Jan 31, 2015

Lion said:

we breed babies tugether stop lying to the furum

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Hist said:

Rugani, Coman, Berrardi and Zaza are bigger question marks than Castan, Astori, florenzi or strootman. Also the four you mentioned arent part of our squad yet and so even in the unlikely event that they all turn out good, Juve still has to see all its main starts go and replacements come in to start a new cycle. If we sell Pogba for 100 mills and use it on very good new players they will still take a long time to gel.

My point is that we will have to undergo a rapid transformation while they dont. They have a good backbone already that will last them for long while we have to buy plenty and get them to gell. In this regard they have an advantage.

After our new squad is in place that advantage will be gone. If they dont win while they have it they will never get another chance. We will have a young squad too and we will be a lot more financially powerful than they are.

How can you possibly know that?

zizinho · Jan 31, 2015

Hist said:

you keep talking about this new squad but let me show you something

Neto

Caceres Bonucci Ogbonna/Rugani Asamoah

Vidal Marchisio/Sturaro Pogba

Berardi/Pereyra Morata Coman

we already own all this players and the oldest is Marchisio with 28/29 (not one player over 30). even this team is better than what you presented Roma will have and im not even counting the new signings

Hist · Jan 31, 2015

Lion said:

In a previous post I mentioned that they will be in a better situation if they dont keep selling and starting over from scratch.

My point is simple really. Their squad's backbone is made of young players. Ours is made of old players or players who will almost certainly leave. That makes them better oriented towards the future than us until our new players are in place.

Our cycle is approaching its end while theirs is in its growing part of the curve. The time span between the decline of our current squad and the assembly and gelling of a new one coincides with their cycle's maturity phase. In this respect they will have an advantage until we have our new cycle up and running. This will be their only chance to win. Thats because once our new cycle is up and running we will be a whole new monster given that we will be on a much higher financial level.
Thus, if they win during that short window of opportunity then no biggie (for us as we will be in transition). If they don't, its a big failure on their part.

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zizinho said:

We own them legally speaking yes but excluding pogba and Vidal (since its unlikely that both will be here in 2 years), all the attacking players havent scored a handful of goals combined wearing our jersey. What you posted IS a new starting 11. Bonnuci and Marchisio are the only starters from the current starting 11 and neither is a key player in the sense tevez and pogba are now or vidal and barzagli were.

Cacares and Ogbonna are bench players and the same goes for Pereyra, Morata and Coman. Also all of them except maybe Cacares are question marks.
Still my point is that even if all our current bench players perfectly replace our starters and if our youths that ply their trade on loan turn out to be great and if Asamoah becomes a good lb, thats still pretty much a new team that will take time to fire on all cylinders. Roma's team on the other hand will be a more gelled version of what they already have + - minor changes.

You are really undermining the scale of change that we are about to go through. We are losing our goal keeper and captain in buffon, our main creative player in pirlo, our best defender in barzagli and our best young player in pogba. Losing these four players alone is massive change in our game plan, on who is scoring the goals, who marshals the defence, who is our main playmaker, ... everything changes and that is ignoring Licht and the other older players who are less central in how we do things on the pitch.

Again I am not saying that we wont find replacements, we might actually build a better squad with our increased financial strength and our improved brand name and the Pogba money. All I am saying is that our cycle is ending while theirs began last year. They will peak while we rebuild and they have an advantage until our new cycle is in place. If they dont beat us to the title atleast once then they really suck.

If you want to feel the scale of change, imagine Madrid without Ronaldo, Benzema, Modric, Marcelo, Ramos and Casillas. Even with their insane bench and with their huge resources thats a giant change that would give Barca an advantage

Lion · Jan 31, 2015

In our unbeatable season we had new esti a licht vidal vucinic pirlo. That's half the outfield players and we won the title undefeated.

So much for players needing time to gel

Hist · Feb 1, 2015

Hustini said:

By default. You cant expect your new signings to immediately hit the ground running. If they do then thats great.

Also, when its one new guy going into an already working and gelled squad its easier than when its a bunch of new guys getting to know each other for the first time. Plastic clubs take time to gel for this reason even though they have world class squads.

You cant expect all your signings to come good immediately. Falcao hasnt gelled yet. Suarez hasnt gelled. Neymar took a year to gel. Benzema tooka year to gel. Bale took some time to gel. Mata hasn't gelled. Yaya toure took some time.

The examples are every where. I'd be furious at morata already if I didnt think that he can still come good given the right system and some time.

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Lion said:

Its called a wonder season for a reason. a squad that finished 7th twice in a row with some additions and a new coach finishing 1st and undefeated was a miracle. You don't count on performing miracles everytime.

Also, we were replacing shitty players with great ones. From Grygera to Licht. From Aquilani to Pirlo and Vidal. From amauri to vucinic.

This time it will be from Tevez to Berardi. From Pirlo to marchiso and from pogba to pereyra or sturaro. From barzagli and chiellini to ogbonna and rugani. From the licht to whoever. Hopefully the pogba money will change that scenario

Badass J Elkann · Feb 1, 2015

Hustini said:

milan are at least 5 years away from being remotely competitive, right now I would say even inter look closer to being competitive than milan, then of course there is napoli who are ahead of milan. I still think roma will be ahead of milan next season, perhaps not as much as last season or even this one. Dont forget roma are ahead of the planning stage with a new stadium, milan I don't even think have even found an agreed site let alone any designs drawn up for it

KB824 · Feb 1, 2015

Roma can't keep up their spending without selling. They don't have the financial stability to do it right now. There isn't much as much revenue coming in as Juve do. Plus, as others have said, Juve have been acquiring prospects left and right, and allowing them to get serious playing time with their respective clubs.

All Roma is doing right now is creating a revolving door of players coming in and going out. There is far less stability going on over there, and it's starting to show.

Their window isn't as large as people think, and Juve have already taken steps to help ensure their future

Bianconero_Aus · Feb 1, 2015

Lion said:

fuckin nasty

swag · Feb 1, 2015

piotrr said:

Actually, I've come to the scary realization that I get a little more this season out of a Roma failure than I get out of some of Juve victories. :shifty:

lgorTudor · Feb 1, 2015

swag said:

Same here

Sometimes I think 06/07 had harder competition. I mean...Napoli was there

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