[ITA] Serie A 2014/2015 (23 Viewers)

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
Let's say that we really do want Serie A to do well, despite our hate for the rivals and enemies... why wish that it be Milan, of all clubs, that helps with that success? It's much more realistic that Napoli or Roma would do that, and they are even slightly less despicable than Milan. So why do people here always say we need inter and Milan to return to their former standings?
You are speaking from an emotional point of view. I am not.

What I wish for Milan and Inter doesn't correlate with what I believe would be the best for Serie A from a business point of view.
 
Mar 3, 2014
3,866
Congrats on the worst idea ever.
It's not mine. Mino Raiola mentioned it. But he's right. The rivalries and deep hatred in Serie A would never ever let it happen. But if you were rebuilding the league, would you really put two teams in Genoa? It's flat out stupid.

As I said, it won't happen. The chances are literally zero, but the league would be much better off if didn't have multiple teams in markets that couldn't support them. You'd have less empty stadiums, and each team would have a larger addressable market. Sure I'm putting on my professional finance hat, but It's very clear that the league's structure makes no sense.

But frankly, I spend my entire day analyzing companies (particularly in the media space), and sometimes its clear as day that consolidation is required.

SIDENOTE:
I'm going to a Technology, Media, and Telecom conference in Florida next month for work. (Money management for corporate bonds)

Well, one of the presenting companies is Manchester United. I'm so tempted to ask during the Q&A..."What's the NPV of the decision to let Paul Pogba go?"
 

j0ker

Capo di tutti capi
Jan 5, 2006
22,892
It isn't about Serie A, anywhere in the world suggesting the merge of two local teams it is a crime, it would totally kill the spirit of the game.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
66,808
You are speaking from an emotional point of view. I am not.

What I wish for Milan and Inter doesn't correlate with what I believe would be the best for Serie A from a business point of view.
No. I am saying if we really wanted what was best for Serie A, then Roma and Napoli are more likely to achieve "success" than Milan (maybe not inter)

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SIDENOTE:
I'm going to a Technology, Media, and Telecom conference in Florida next month for work. (Money management for corporate bonds)

Well, one of the presenting companies is Manchester United. I'm so tempted to ask during the Q&A..."What's the NPV of the decision to let Paul Pogba go?"
You should
 
Mar 3, 2014
3,866
It isn't about Serie A, anywhere in the world suggesting the merge of two local teams it is a crime, it would totally kill the spirit of the game.
I realize that. That's why it would never happen. It doesn't mean that it isn't in theory the best option economically for a team. I'm just saying it makes sense from a business perspective. The logistics are flat out impossible though.

I mean I understand London having 2 mega clubs, 2 mid table clubs and a few smaller ones because they have a population of 8x Milan's but for a population of 1.3 million. 2 teams is dumb. For Genoa it's even dumber.
 

lgorTudor

Senior Member
Jan 15, 2015
32,951
They have more of a head start than Roma and Napoli, but the latter are way better managed thee days, and are much more likely to make CL and get out of the groups than Barabara's club. So maybe people should be saying "it's in our best interest if Roma and Napoli succeed"
Short-term yes, long-term no. Napoli and Roma are small clubs with a loser mentality. They have neither ever won anything nor will they ever be any relevant. "Strong year" Roma/Napoli can get into CL 1/8 but Milan has the structure of a big club. They need to make a number or right decisions come back to world football. And keep sticking around, growing slowly.

I hate these fuckers but our league is a mess.I so much prefer the years 2000-2006 over what we have now. Yes, we didn't always win the Serie but everybody in the world took us seriously. Being the Powerhouse of Europe felt so much better than dominating a shitty league and drooling over players from Bundesliga 17th. We have become the new France incase you haven't noticed.
 
Mar 3, 2014
3,866
Short-term yes, long-term no. Napoli and Roma are small clubs with a loser mentality. They have neither ever won anything nor will they ever be any relevant. "Strong year" Roma/Napoli can get into CL 1/8 but Milan has the structure of a big club. They need to make a number or right decisions come back to world football. And keep sticking around, growing slowly.

I hate these $#@!ers but our league is a mess.I so much prefer the years 2000-2006 over what we have now. Yes, we didn't always win the Serie but everybody in the world took us seriously. Being the Powerhouse of Europe felt so much better than dominating a $#@!ty league and drooling over players from Bundesliga 17th. We have become the new France incase you haven't noticed.
Yep. We have destroyed our league for 3 years and no one fears us in Europe. Imagine if we pulled what we accomplished over the last few seasons in 2001?
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,185
SIDENOTE:
I'm going to a Technology, Media, and Telecom conference in Florida next month for work. (Money management for corporate bonds)

Well, one of the presenting companies is Manchester United. I'm so tempted to ask during the Q&A..."What's the NPV of the decision to let Paul Pogba go?"
i hope you do, and i hape everyone laughs and high fives you, then as you sit there with a smug look on your face, eric cantona runs up to you and kicks you in your face and u cry
 

Paid-off-Ref

Senior Member
Dec 16, 2004
4,102
I realize that. That's why it would never happen. It doesn't mean that it isn't in theory the best option economically for a team. I'm just saying it makes sense from a business perspective. The logistics are flat out impossible though.

I mean I understand London having 2 mega clubs, 2 mid table clubs and a few smaller ones because they have a population of 8x Milan's but for a population of 1.3 million. 2 teams is dumb. For Genoa it's even dumber.
I agree with your point. But I think Rome and Milan are big enough to support two teams. Sure the city of Milan has a population of 1.3 million but if you account for the urban area it rises to 5.6 million. What I find ridiculous are some of the smaller teams, Sassuolo with 41.000 residents and the Chievo area of Verona with a meagre total of 4.500 inhabitants. Italy's population is 60 million in comparison.

While at your conference you should ask them how they managed to pull of that Chrysler sponsorship deal. As far as I understand that deal it is way above its market value and Chrysler got the short end of that stick.
 
Mar 3, 2014
3,866
I agree with your point. But I think Rome and Milan are big enough to support two teams. Sure the city of Milan has a population of 1.3 million but if you account for the urban area it rises to 5.6 million. What I find ridiculous are some of the smaller teams, Sassuolo with 41.000 residents and the Chievo area of Verona with a meagre total of 4.500 inhabitants. Italy's population is 60 million in comparison.

While at your conference you should ask them how they managed to pull of that Chrysler sponsorship deal. As far as I understand that deal it is way above its market value and Chrysler got the short end of that stick.
Part of the problem is that I get the sense tickets are overpriced. Roma is a strange one because you'd think with that metro area, every game would be full.

And yeah, as for United: more questions...
Why did you waste money on falcao. Thats literally money down the toilet on a bench player.

But at least the Chrysler deal seems very legitimate when comparing PSGs deal with the Qatari Tourism Authority lol.
 

Ragazza

Calciopoli Director
Jul 22, 2013
5,060
Meh, it's not like Italy is unique in that even the smallest towns have football clubs. And can you imagine the backlash if Inter/Milan, Roma/Lazio, or Juve/Torino were merged? Even "smaller" clubs like Chievo/Verona or Genoa/Sampdoria have decades of rivalry.

If you want to talk about merging, maybe some of the lower tier and semi-professional teams, but that's all that's realistic I think.
 
Mar 3, 2014
3,866
Meh, it's not like Italy is unique in that even the smallest towns have football clubs. And can you imagine the backlash if Inter/Milan, Roma/Lazio, or Juve/Torino were merged? Even "smaller" clubs like Chievo/Verona or Genoa/Sampdoria have decades of rivalry.

If you want to talk about merging, maybe some of the lower tier and semi-professional teams, but that's all that's realistic I think.
I definitely agree that the rivalries make it impossible, even if it would improve the economics of the team. As I said before, the logistics are impossible.

Ultras on the same teams can't get a long lol.
 

Klin

نحن الروبوتات
May 27, 2009
61,692
Let's say that we really do want Serie A to do well, despite our hate for the rivals and enemies... why wish that it be Milan, of all clubs, that helps with that success? It's much more realistic that Napoli or Roma would do that, and they are even slightly less despicable than Milan. So why do people here always say we need inter and Milan to return to their former standings?
:heart:
 

only-juve

Senior Member
Jan 5, 2008
7,451
Personally to me what will happen to Milan is quiet obvious:

Milk the club as much as possible from its revenues by berlusconi and his family (try to qualify to the CL if possible, which isn't a far fetch goal giving the state of the league right now) and eventually after some years, try to sell the club to the highest bidder.

He doesn't give two focks about the fans whatsoever.
 

Alex-444

Senior Member
Sep 5, 2005
30,325
Philippe Mexes made a public apology after shocking scenes in which he attacked Stefano Mauri during Lazio-Milan.

The defender saw red for retaliating to a foul from Mauri, but after the dismissal went back for more and put his opponent in a chokehold while teammates tried to drag him away.

“I am here to take responsibility, which is only right when you make a mistake,” said Mexes on Sky Sport Italia.


“First of all I apologise to the club, to my teammates and the fans because this is behaviour that has happened more than once in my career."

The former Roma centre-back has received 16 red cards in all competition.

“I cannot accept the reaction I had. I didn’t do much on the field, but after the red I reacted in completely the wrong way.

“I have four kids, so I know this is not the right example to set as a father or as a player. I am aware of that sense of responsibility and I apologise.

“I have no excuses, as it’s a football match and you cannot behave like that. I take responsibility and promise it won’t happen again. It was my fault, that’s all.”

Milan will play Lazio again on Tuesday in the Coppa Italia quarter-final at San Siro, so the squad will be locked down in a training retreat.
 

piotrr

Мodеrator
Sep 13, 2011
34,009
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“First of all I apologise to the club, to my teammates and the fans because this is behaviour that has happened more than once in my career."
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“I have no excuses, as it’s a football match and you cannot behave like that. I take responsibility and promise it won’t happen again. It was my fault, that’s all.”
:lol:
 

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