[ITA] Serie A 2014/2015 (40 Viewers)

[Joe]

So,

- They play Italians today because those Italians are good enough but those guys could easily be replaced if other players were found. Whatever the case may be, they have the option to do whatever they want.
-Why is it important to produce Italian talent? These teams are running a business, not some factory for the Italian NT.
-Maybe there is an obsession with South American talent because they are better and produce better talents and the chances are bigger that you find a good player over there?

The problem is, smaller clubs aren't using as much as Italians as they were in the past. They're developing other players from other countries, when they could be developing Italians. All the top clubs of Serie A will be unaffected, all of them usually have a core of quality Italians + internationals. If smaller clubs were forced to develop more Italians, the top clubs and the National Team would have a bigger pool to choose from.

Why is it important to produce Italian talent? Well maybe not to you, but for Tavecchio the president of the FIGC its a no brainer. Italy is very mediocre right now. They need to do something.

All I'm saying is, as Juventus fans...having the 4 Italians rule wouldn't hurt us. We already play with 4 or more. It has no consequences to us what so ever, but it could help the National Team.

 

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[ALC]

You said the reason there's not as many Italian talents is because they don't get playing time. They do get playing time. For weak clubs because they're not better than the South Americans and the rest of Europeans. If they were talented enough they'd easily start as there's less of an initial investment in playing italians instead of bringing someone all the way from other countries.

And look at Verratti, the biggest Italian talent. He went abroad because talent like that goes where the money is. Teams like Udinese would be playing Italians all the time if they thought they could sell them abroad for big prices.

 

[Zacheryah]

Verratti is proof that if there is an actual talent, that italian teams will want to get him.


Here is the deal : there is allmost no talent.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

And you're calling my post a failure

Dude I'm all for reducing bureaucracy but not the way you propose it. I know you guys do it whatever way you like in your country but it's not like that everywhere. What does 'government can force local municipality to sell for cheap price stadiums to club' mean? It's complete bullshit yet you laugh off my posts. Why would anyone sell something for cheap? I know it's a common practice in Russia (in Poland unfortunately too) but that's not the way definitely. As for investors I already said that: most clubs won't find investors. It's not that easy dude. It's not easy at all to find a wealthy man/company that will decide to spend money on a stadium in Parma/Bergamo/Verona and even Firenze. Clubs like Juventus, Roma and Milan have chances for that but not the smaller ones. And one exception that could happen won't change too much.

I never said that number of teams is the biggest problem in Italy. Besides stadiums aren't one neither. In fact it's the training system, just like @MikeM said Italy doesn't produce players suited to modern game. Then come the stadiums and later on the rest.

Anyway the clubs have to build those stadiums on their own. The government can only reduce the amount of paperwork to do for the clubs willing to build their stadiums but that's just it. Smaller clubs have to follow Udinese's example: create young superstars and sell them for profit. This way they become stable financially and can build their training centers and stadiums.

Reducing the number of teams is not a crucial change that's needed but for the moment it would definitely help. Clubs participating in European competitions have to start performing and they better hurry up.

"Modern" game - what's this? And who does produce players for "modern" game of football?

Immobile, Shaarawy, Berardi, Zaza, Gabbiadini, Jorginho, Insigne, De Sciglio, D'Ambrosio, Cristante, Sansone bunch of the goalkeepers Perin, Bardi, Leali, Scouffet, Rugani etc.
Italy will always produce talents, it's in their blood

 

[Nomuken]

Just Minus Cerci, he's not exactly a promising youngster anymore

 

[Elvin]

yeah let's make Serie A even less attractive to foreigners. FIGC is worse than ISIS.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Just Minus Cerci, he's not exactly a promising youngster anymore

Forgot that he is that old

 

[LiquidPLP]

"Modern" game - what's this? And who does produce players for "modern" game of football?

Immobile, Shaarawy, Berardi, Zaza, Gabbiadini, Jorginho, Insigne, De Sciglio, D'Ambrosio, Cristante, Sansone bunch of the goalkeepers Perin, Bardi, Leali, Scouffet, Rugani etc.
Italy will always produce talents, it's in their blood

I already said that. Can you read? I mentioned Germany and Spain.

That list in not impressive at all in comparison to other countries. France has better youth these days too. I'm not going to deny talent to most of those kids, they're more or less promising but we'll see how many of them will actually make it to the top. I guess it'll be 1/3 of the mentioned ones at best. At this point the only players worthy from that list are SES, De Sciglio and GKs. Berardi is getting there too but this season will define him as a player worth something or a 'talent'. For example Insigne and Gabbiadini are overrated IMO. Both are going nowhere.

That wasn't the point though. I never said Italy doesn't produce talented players but that there's too few of those. You can't have one or two promising CBs and assume they'll make it. For every Nesta or Cannavaro you have at least 10 Gamberinis or Astoris. For every Del Piero you have 10 or more Giovincos etc.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

I already said that. Can you read? I mentioned Germany and Spain.

That list in not impressive at all in comparison to other countries. France has better youth these days too. I'm not going to deny talent to most of those kids, they're more or less promising but we'll see how many of them will actually make it to the top. I guess it'll be 1/3 of the mentioned ones at best. At this point the only players worthy from that list are SES, De Sciglio and GKs. Berardi is getting there too but this season will define him as a player worth something or a 'talent'. For example Insigne and Gabbiadini are overrated IMO. Both are going nowhere.

That wasn't the point though. I never said Italy doesn't produce talented players but that there's too few of those. You can't have one or two promising CBs and assume they'll make it. For every Nesta or Cannavaro you have at least 10 Gamberinis or Astoris. For every Del Piero you have 10 or more Giovincos etc.

No, Germany and Spain doesn't produce players for the fucking modern football, if you will look on Spanish/Barca successful period from 2008 to 2012 then you will understand that fucking tiki-taka football was introduced there by Van Basten back in the end of 80's, there is nothing MODERN in it cause Van Basten himself learned this style of play in Ajax many years before he became coach of barcelona, so how can u call it "MODERN" football if this style of play was invented 30 years ago in Netherlands?

What Germany did - after the failure on the euro 2000 DFB has started the new program to grow up the new generation of players, while in other countries like England, Italy etc. the developing of youngsters relies on clubs, DFL helps clubs to find new young talented players, why FIGC can't/won't do the same? Why FA in england can't/won't do the same?Why they don't understand the simple thing - if you as organisation that controls the whole football aspects in your country help to your own clubs it does mean that you helps to your own national squads to have a better players, also they've started a huge coaching program and now they have more than 30,000 of coaches in Germany cause to rise new players you need good talented coaches who could rise talented youngsters in the right way, and even so 45% of the players of bundesliga are foreigners(31% bundesliga 2, 15% bundesliga 3),so even with all this wonderful programs they still need foreigners because this is how football works.

"the vast majority of Bundesliga clubs have rebuilt or expanded their training facilities since 2001, and at the time of the 2011 report, there were nearly two-and-a-half professionally licensed coaches for each academy in the top two tiers of German football."

http://www.kthi.is/skrar/file/Fyrirlestur þjóðverjans.pdf
Here is german program, that';s what they need to do in Italy, but fucking FIGC cunts doesn't want to think and work, all they want is power and money

This is what every single country should do to have a good footballers on the a permanent basis
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We all like Udine's business model, but the truth is that they are buying and selling players, they don't create them in their academy

 

[Hist]

Van basten built the pyramids

 

[Suns]

The problem is, smaller clubs aren't using as much as Italians as they were in the past. They're developing other players from other countries, when they could be developing Italians. All the top clubs of Serie A will be unaffected, all of them usually have a core of quality Italians + internationals. If smaller clubs were forced to develop more Italians, the top clubs and the National Team would have a bigger pool to choose from.

Why is it important to produce Italian talent? Well maybe not to you, but for Tavecchio the president of the FIGC its a no brainer. Italy is very mediocre right now. They need to do something.

All I'm saying is, as Juventus fans...having the 4 Italians rule wouldn't hurt us. We already play with 4 or more. It has no consequences to us what so ever, but it could help the National Team.

Smaller teams can do whatever they want. They are not developing players for other nations, they are developing players for their own gain.

It will hurt us. Imagine this, today we have Pirlo, Barza and Chiellini out. In a case where you're forced to play 4-5 Italians, we'd be forced to start Padoin instead of bench alternatives with higher quality like Asamoah, Pereyra..

And when will it end? How far will the FIGC take it to improve their Italian NT? If they have shortage of goalkeepers or RB's, will they force every team to play with an Italian RB?

 

[pitbull]

Smaller teams can do whatever they want. They are not developing players for other nations, they are developing players for their own gain.

It will hurt us. Imagine this, today we have Pirlo, Barza and Chiellini out. In a case where you're forced to play 4-5 Italians, we'd be forced to start Padoin instead of bench alternatives with higher quality like Asamoah, Pereyra..

And when will it end? How far will the FIGC take it to improve their Italian NT? If they have shortage of goalkeepers or RB's, will they force every team to play with an Italian RB?

Barza and Chiellini out we'd start Bonucci and Ogbonna, Pirlo out we'd start Marchisio, Buffon in goal, that's 4 players. Besides them we have bench options like Romulo, Giovinco, Pepe and Marrone who'd all arguably start before Padoin.

Surely this change won't make the league stronger and it isn't meant to do it, but I don't think it's outrageous to ask for 4 domestic players in Your starting line-up, they should be there anyways, Juventus never had a problem with it and I hope never will.

 

[Elvin]

so when will the decision be made?

 

[Suns]

Barza and Chiellini out we'd start Bonucci and Ogbonna, Pirlo out we'd start Marchisio, Buffon in goal, that's 4 players. Besides them we have bench options like Romulo, Giovinco, Pepe and Marrone who'd all arguably start before Padoin.

Surely this change won't make the league stronger and it isn't meant to do it, but I don't think it's outrageous to ask for 4 domestic players in Your starting line-up, they should be there anyways, Juventus never had a problem with it and I hope never will.

It is outrageous for the FIGC to ask for anything when it comes to teams and what decisions they deem the best out on the pitch. You can't tell teams what to do. If we end up scouting 11 Pogbas we should be able to use all of the without having to bench 4 of them for some Italians.

 

[Red]

Why are folk fretting about something that won't happen?

 

[piotrr]

Why are folk fretting about something that won't happen?

We never said a word about your Aberdeen posts in Europa League thread.

 

[Hust]

We never said a word about your Aberdeen posts in Europa League thread.

 

[JuveJay]

Bryan Cristante is going to be an interesting case study.

 

[pitbull]

It is outrageous for the FIGC to ask for anything when it comes to teams and what decisions they deem the best out on the pitch. You can't tell teams what to do. If we end up scouting 11 Pogbas we should be able to use all of the without having to bench 4 of them for some Italians.

Nah, I disagree, I think it's completely normal not outrageous.

 

[Red]

We never said a word about your Aberdeen posts in Europa League thread.

Aberdeen were playing in the EL, so I don't quite get the comparison.