[ITA] Serie A 2014/2015 (26 Viewers)

[Bianconero_Aus]

*will not.

there is no real difference between wouldnt and might, so if you were to take a differing position here it would have to be categorical.

Roma would need more than a new stadium to reach our revenues.

 

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[Vlad]

No they wouldn't.

There is preconception here that Roma as a football club has been better run over the years by some members, which in all honesty couldn't be farther from reality. I'll only point out few things; in the last 4 years Roma recorder cumulative loss of 170m, at the same period their equity decreased from (13m) at the end of 2010 to (66m) last year according to their official statement. Total amount of liabilities increased by 100m; they had 130m of current and non current liabilities at the end of 2010, while last year those rose up to 230m. In the period of 4 years Roma have accumulated debt, their equity decreased despite the fact that the owners absorb most of their yearly loss, their assets (players and other intangibles & tangibles ) increased by mere 50m, and most importantly their overall results have been disappointing considering heavy investments over the years. Now to put that into our context; Juve between 2011-2014 increased their assets by 100m, partly by increasing liabilities, around 60m, and other 40m has been due to equity, achieved success on a sporting plan and are finding themselves in a safe zone, close to breaking even. As a company Juve have achieved significant growth over the years, scale of our operations increased, while Roma despite of their overly ambitious project have taken as slight step forward, but at the expense of increased exposure to various risks. In their case effort required to bring them where they currently are does not correlate with results achieved on financial and sporting level. Reward certainly was not worth of the funds spent during the years.

Roma's revenues remained at similar level, or even regressed a bit, while costs have increased in the same period. The reason why their staggering amount of yearly loss haven't dragged down equity even further is due to the will of American investors to absorb part of it every year. For instance in 2011 equity should have been -13m-51m=-64m, but evidently it is not the case bellow, as owners like previously said directly invested 20m, etc...

AS Roma
----------------2010---------2011--------2012---------2013
Revenues-------128m--------138m--------108m--------114m
Profit/(loss)-----(22m)--------(51m)------(59m)--------(40m)
Equity----------(13m)--------(44m)-------(53m)-------(66m)
Liabilities--------134m--------147m--------241m--------240m
Assets----------121m--------103m--------188m--------174m



Juventus

-------------2010------------2011---------2012-------2013
Revenues----220m-----------172m----------214m------284m
Profit/(loss)--(10m)----------(95m)---------(49m)------(16m)
Equity--------90m------------(5m)----------65m--------49m
Liabilities-----201m-----------339m---------362m-------394m
Assets-------291m-----------334m---------427m-------443m

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Roma would need more than a new stadium to reach our revenues.

They will never reach us. Impossible. Pure delusion by some folks.

 

[Lion]

@Suns

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

 

[The Curr]

Hellas will have Rafa Marques and Rafa Marquez as their CBs this season.

 

[Maddy]

Hellas will have Rafa Marques and Rafa Marquez as their CBs this season.

Dupont and Dupond

 

[piotrr]

Hellas will have Rafa Marques and Rafa Marquez as their CBs this season.

Damn, it's better than Marquinho and Marquinhos.

 

[Lion]

nothing will top zanetti and zanetti at the same team.

or the 2 nevilles

 

[Maddy]

nothing will top zanetti and zanetti at the same team.

or the 2 nevilles

johansen. so yeah..

 

[Hydde]

Robinho said he had enought of european footbal and is going back home.

Discuss

 

[GordoDeCentral]

There is preconception here that Roma as a football club has been better run over the years by some members, which in all honesty couldn't be farther from reality. I'll only point out few things; in the last 4 years Roma recorder cumulative loss of 170m, at the same period their equity decreased from (13m) at the end of 2010 to (66m) last year according to their official statement. Total amount of liabilities increased by 100m; they had 130m of current and non current liabilities at the end of 2010, while last year those rose up to 230m. In the period of 4 years Roma have accumulated debt, their equity decreased despite the fact that the owners absorb most of their yearly loss, their assets (players and other intangibles & tangibles ) increased by mere 50m, and most importantly their overall results have been disappointing considering heavy investments over the years. Now to put that into our context; Juve between 2011-2014 increased their assets by 100m, partly by increasing liabilities, around 60m, and other 40m has been due to equity, achieved success on a sporting plan and are finding themselves in a safe zone, close to breaking even. As a company Juve have achieved significant growth over the years, scale of our operations increased, while Roma despite of their overly ambitious project have taken as slight step forward, but at the expense of increased exposure to various risks. In their case effort required to bring them where they currently are does not correlate with results achieved on financial and sporting level. Reward certainly was not worth of the funds spent during the years.

Roma's revenues remained at similar level, or even regressed a bit, while costs have increased in the same period. The reason why their staggering amount of yearly loss haven't dragged down equity even further is due to the will of American investors to absorb part of it every year. For instance in 2011 equity should have been -13m-51m=-64m, but evidently it is not the case bellow, as owners like previously said directly invested 20m, etc...

AS Roma
----------------2010---------2011--------2012---------2013
Revenues-------128m--------138m--------108m--------114m
Profit/(loss)-----(22m)--------(51m)------(59m)--------(40m)
Equity----------(13m)--------(44m)-------(53m)-------(66m)
Liabilities--------134m--------147m--------241m--------240m
Assets----------121m--------103m--------188m--------174m



Juventus

-------------2010------------2011---------2012-------2013
Revenues----220m-----------172m----------214m------284m
Profit/(loss)--(10m)----------(95m)---------(49m)------(16m)
Equity--------90m------------(5m)----------65m--------49m
Liabilities-----201m-----------339m---------362m-------394m
Assets-------291m-----------334m---------427m-------443m

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They will never reach us. Impossible. Pure delusion by some folks.

impossible? lets first wait for their stadium to be built before passing such delusionally categorical judgements

 

[Maddy]

Robinho said he had enought of european footbal and is going back home.

Discuss

why?

 

[Vlad]

impossible? lets first wait for their stadium to be built before passing such delusionally categorical judgements

Stadium income is not the only source of earnings and in the best case scenario it won't bring them more than 60m per year. Distribution of TV rights will be disadvantageous for them, no matter the results achieved on the pitch. As for commercial, they don't have large fan base abroad, therefore can't attract lucrative sponsors, etc... To put it simple, Juve would need to spend 20 years without winning a single trophy, while Roma during that time would have to dominate Italian football in order to surpass us. Impossible.

 

[j0ker]

Roma are making loses, OMFG!!

I thought Sabatani was a genius.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

There is preconception here that Roma as a football club has been better run over the years by some members, which in all honesty couldn't be farther from reality. I'll only point out few things; in the last 4 years Roma recorder cumulative loss of 170m, at the same period their equity decreased from (13m) at the end of 2010 to (66m) last year according to their official statement. Total amount of liabilities increased by 100m; they had 130m of current and non current liabilities at the end of 2010, while last year those rose up to 230m. In the period of 4 years Roma have accumulated debt, their equity decreased despite the fact that the owners absorb most of their yearly loss, their assets (players and other intangibles & tangibles ) increased by mere 50m, and most importantly their overall results have been disappointing considering heavy investments over the years. Now to put that into our context; Juve between 2011-2014 increased their assets by 100m, partly by increasing liabilities, around 60m, and other 40m has been due to equity, achieved success on a sporting plan and are finding themselves in a safe zone, close to breaking even. As a company Juve have achieved significant growth over the years, scale of our operations increased, while Roma despite of their overly ambitious project have taken as slight step forward, but at the expense of increased exposure to various risks. In their case effort required to bring them where they currently are does not correlate with results achieved on financial and sporting level. Reward certainly was not worth of the funds spent during the years.

Roma's revenues remained at similar level, or even regressed a bit, while costs have increased in the same period. The reason why their staggering amount of yearly loss haven't dragged down equity even further is due to the will of American investors to absorb part of it every year. For instance in 2011 equity should have been -13m-51m=-64m, but evidently it is not the case bellow, as owners like previously said directly invested 20m, etc...

AS Roma
----------------2010---------2011--------2012---------2013
Revenues-------128m--------138m--------108m--------114m
Profit/(loss)-----(22m)--------(51m)------(59m)--------(40m)
Equity----------(13m)--------(44m)-------(53m)-------(66m)
Liabilities--------134m--------147m--------241m--------240m
Assets----------121m--------103m--------188m--------174m



Juventus

-------------2010------------2011---------2012-------2013
Revenues----220m-----------172m----------214m------284m
Profit/(loss)--(10m)----------(95m)---------(49m)------(16m)
Equity--------90m------------(5m)----------65m--------49m
Liabilities-----201m-----------339m---------362m-------394m
Assets-------291m-----------334m---------427m-------443m

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They will never reach us. Impossible. Pure delusion by some folks.

so much for walt disney endorsing them...

truth be told though, they've not been in the CL for a while, and not really competed in the league for some time before last season

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Stadium income is not the only source of earnings and in the best case scenario it won't bring them more than 60m per year. Distribution of TV rights will be disadvantageous for them, no matter the results achieved on the pitch. As for commercial, they don't have large fan base abroad, therefore can't attract lucrative sponsors, etc... To put it simple, Juve would need to spend 20 years without winning a single trophy, while Roma during that time would have to dominate Italian football in order to surpass us. Impossible.

we dont either, and how would they not benefit from TV rights? as for lucrative sponsors they could do what the oildclubs did and have some of their offshoot companies invest into the club via sponsorship. If the americans go through with their plans/promises i dont see why roma couldnt be up there with us.

 

[blacknwhite]

Roma would need more than a new stadium to reach our revenues.

But Milan and maybe Inter could reach our level with a new stadium. Milan might even surpass Juve.

The hierarchy in Italy (in terms of revenue) is kinda obvious i think:

1. Juve
2. Milan
3. Inter
4. Roma/Napoli
5. Lazio/Fiorentina

 

[Vlad]

we dont either, and how would they not benefit from TV rights? as for lucrative sponsors they could do what the oildclubs did and have some of their offshoot companies invest into the club via sponsorship. If the americans go through with their plans/promises i dont see why roma couldnt be up there with us.

Juventus has more appeal abroad, that goes without saying. According to some researches more than 180m fans support us worldwide. Social media is also a good indicator, number of FB and Twitter followers among others.

As for TV money, you can see from the pic bellow why it would be impossible for Roma to catch up with us. Number of fans is crucial for distribution.

Gap will be even bigger with the new deal.

 

[MikeM]

Feels like Roma has more pressure than us this year. They have to do well in the CL and make sure they qualify again next year.

I think this might lower their ambition to win the scudetto. I think they would prefer top 3 + CL group advancement instead of scudetto + crashing out.

I have a hard time seeing them replicate their unbeaten start that they had last year. They will likely be resting key players in order to do well in the CL group matches.

 

[AlexOB]

Roma catching us on revenue? That's one of the most delude bullshits I've read... Originally I thought it was a joke. Milan and Inter even in Serie B would have more chances than them.

And yeah, "Let's wait for them to build a new stadium" (like if a stadium is a gold mine), too bad they don't even have the permission to build it... Maybe in 2040 it will be ready, maybe.