[ITA] Serie A 2014/2015 (51 Viewers)

[Ocelot]

Well yeah, but how would replays solve this?

I'm assuming you're talking about cases like the ones on sunday where there's still no clarity at all.

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I don't get it. It's like people who only wants natural grass.

Please enlighten us how this is related in any way?

 

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[Hængebøffer]

You can always find people who would argue it's wrong. Getting replays would eliminate a lot of errors.

 

[Ocelot]

While adding a whole lot of new controversies as well as stripping away a lot of the fluidity of the game.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Well yeah, but how would replays solve this?

I'm assuming you're talking about cases like the ones on sunday where there's still no clarity at all.

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Please enlighten us how this is related in any way?

It's exactly the same romanticised way of thinking. NFL games were once shorter too.

 

[Hængebøffer]

While adding a whole lot of new controversies as well as stripping away a lot of the fluidity of the game.

How can it add a whole lot of new controversies?
They already said that this could be implementeted without ruining the fluidity.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

What will happen when we keep winning even with technology?

blame it on the operating system of course

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While adding a whole lot of new controversies as well as stripping away a lot of the fluidity of the game.

i see what you mean but to be honest this is already used in alot of sports such as Rugby, tennis and hockey which are all quite fluid sports at its best. Of course video referrals in those sports can only be used a certain number of times I think it can work in football too just as they work well in the sports mentioned

 

[Red]

Using technology will only be likely to eliminate the refereeing howler.

I'm not convinced any of the decisions in Juve-Roma were clearly wrong enough that they could immediately have been overturned on TV.

There was plenty of doubt about them - but that won't be enough to change a referee's initial decision (assuming the appeal system brought in is comparable to other sports).

 

[Zacheryah]

The first penalty should be made law. As in "if your wall that was supposed to be inside the box, makes a handball cause it ran forward and jumped outside the box, its a penalty cause the wall shouldnt have fucking moved in the first place".

 

[Hust]

So if Camera reply does come, how the hell would it work? It takes 2-3 minutes I think to challenge a play in the NFL. How many challenges will each team get or will the ref decide to look it upon himself to decide when the technology will be used? Will the time that took to challenge a play be added on as injury time? Who is John Galt?

 

[Red]

The first penalty should be made law. As in "if your wall that was supposed to be inside the box, makes a handball cause it ran forward and jumped outside the box, its a penalty cause the wall shouldnt have fucking moved in the first place".

Most of the argument I have seen has actually been related more to whether it was a handball rather than whether it was inside the box.

And that is handball is one of these things that is very much open to interpretation and so, again, it could well be very hard for replays to overturn a referee's initial decision.

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So if Camera reply does come, how the hell would it work? It takes 2-3 minutes I think to challenge a play in the NFL. How many challenges will each team get or will the ref decide to look it upon himself to decide when the technology will be used? Will the time that took to challenge a play be added on as injury time? Who is John Galt?

No-one has any idea about any of it.

There are also big issues about how and when you would stop play to make the appeal and how to restart after an appeal.


How would this work, for instance:

Ball played in behind the defence for a striker.

Striker is free of the defence, through one-on-one with the keeper.

Striker is flagged offside so the game stops.

The attacking team asks for a replay because they think the striker was onside.

They are proved to be correct by the replay and so the decision should be overturned.

How do you then put that overturned decision into the game?

 

[Hust]

Most of the argument I have seen has actually been related more to whether it was a handball rather than whether it was inside the box.

And that is handball is one of these things that is very much open to interpretation and so, again, it could well be very hard for replays to overturn a referee's initial decision.

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No-one has any idea about any of it.

There are also big issues about how and when you would stop play to make the appeal and how to restart after an appeal.


How would this work, for instance:

Ball played in behind the defence for a striker.

Striker is free of the defence, through one-on-one with the keeper.

Striker is flagged offside so the game stops.

The attacking team asks for a replay because they think the striker was onside.

They are proved to be correct by the replay and so the decision should be overturned.

How do you then put that overturned decision into the game?

More importantly how would you compensate the team that could have scored from the one v one but was stopped by the whistle? Could have been the game winning goal in injury time.

 

[Red]

More importantly how would you compensate the team that could have scored from the one v one but was stopped by the whistle?

That's not more important.

Astonishly enough, it's equally important.

Because, you see, that's exactly the question I posed.

 

[Post Ironic]

The problem is that video replay only works for negating goals really, with regards to the offside rule.

Example 1. Someone scores and the linesman misses the offside. Play is challenged, overturned, goal doesn't count.

Example 2. Player is whistled offside on what would have been a clear 1 on 1 with goalie, perhaps he even slots the ball home before anyone knows the play has been whistled dead for offside. Even if the team challenges, and the play is overturned, you will not receive a penalty or be given a 1 on 1 with the keeper. At best you could hope for a free kick or a corner or throw-in.

So what happens if Team A, has a goal disallowed for offside in the game on replay evidence, but then also has human error blow play dead on two more through balls that would were either slotted home, or would have provided 1 on 1 vs keeper. Team A, perhaps loses because of this, 1-0. The human error on the goal that was originally allowed would have made up for two more disallowed chances on wrong offside calls.

There are many games where a team gets away with offside a time or two, and gets whistled for it other times. How do you account for the fact that one replay can negate a goal, and the other replay cannot offer the same quality of scoring chance if it turns out the linesman raised his flag wrongly. Until that conundrum is figured out, it's lame to institute video replay for offsides. I think it would result in much worse.

 

[Red]

Yeah, this is what I'm getting at.

These are issues that can be overcome.

Whether they can be overcome without materially changing the game of football as it is today, however, would seem to me to be very questionable.

 

[Hust]

I suppose if they only use it in cases of a goal being scored with something being in question. We all see how everyone always raises their hand to claim offside or "contact" in the box. Imagine if the game is stopped every time someone wants to contest something. There will need to be a very specific time to use it.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

Using technology would be terrible. It's absolutely killed games like Rugby League, where referees used Video to review almost every try scored. It slows down the game badly, and the annoying thing is, they still get a lot of decisions wrong anyway.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

I suppose if they only use it in cases of a goal being scored with something being in question. We all see how everyone always raises their hand to claim offside or "contact" in the box. Imagine if the game is stopped every time someone wants to contest something. There will need to be a very specific time to use it.

The one area where it can be used is for penalties IMO, even if it still wouldn't be a perfect system for it.

 

[Lion]

it doesn't have to be that complicated. here is how i would do it:

allow the captain/coach of the team to request video playback once per half for only one incident: be it a penalty, red card..etc.

simple. game already slows down anyway when there is questionable incident. what is another 20 or 30 seconds.

 

[Hust]

Good point, Lynx.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Easy system to beat for cheating clubs like...

Anyway, ref awards a blatantly undeserved penal, opposition protests, call reversed, ref awards another 15 minutes later, too bad for Roma