[ITA] Serie A 2013/2014 (45 Viewers)

[Paul Poker]

You're forgetting Allegri was the one who did a great job there, who gave a hard time to the strongest Barcelona.

I was never a fan of Donadoni, he was always mediocre in my books.

Allegri had Ibra, that's an automatic league title The Barca game was good, I agree.

I'd say how good Donadoni really is has yet to be seen. His spell at Napoli sure wasn't great, but then again it wasn't that long either. Then he was caught in all that Cagliari bullshit and now he's doing pretty well with Parma. Btw I don't think his Euro 2008 was all that bad. Had a horrible first game but in the end went out on pens against eventual winners Spain. Besides, people were expecting waaay too much from Italy after the 06 WC.

 

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[Mark]

and this game is over.


btw, why does Totti never give his captain armband away when he's subbed? They have to use another one. Is he some kind of Diva or what?

 

[Paul Poker]

and this game is over.


btw, why does Totti never give his captain armband away when he's subbed? They have to use another one. Is he some kind of Diva or what?

He probably showers with it. He'll give it to DDR when he retires. Of course by that time they'll probably both retire

 

[Dostoevsky]

Allegri had Ibra, that's an automatic league title The Barca game was good, I agree.

I'd say how good Donadoni really is has yet to be seen. His spell at Napoli sure wasn't great, but then again it wasn't that long either. Then he was caught in all that Cagliari bullshit and now he's doing pretty well with Parma. Btw I don't think his Euro 2008 was all that bad. Had a horrible first game but in the end went out on pens against eventual winners Spain. Besides, people were expecting waaay too much from Italy after the 06 WC.

Too much choking. Parma is a surprise, though. But I also it shows how weak the league is as they don't have any great players bar old Cassano and brainless Biabiany.

The case about Italy can be dodged, I guess they couldn't win, but people expected more than 1/4. It's the year when Spain started dominating.

 

[ArturoFreestyle]

It has nothing to do with a coach. Donadoni is a terrible coach, Allegri was/is a much better option than him.

Until they invest heavily into squad they won't change much for sure.

TBH since they're under Seedorf they're playing better than Allegri's era. He's unexperienced, but at least he's an intelligent guy, it is known since his player times that he was a "coach on the pitch" and he's got some good ideas. He's being terribly unlucky (red card after 5 mins, the Arda Turan ridiculous goal, the match against us) but Milan at least is doing something on the pitch, and in the long run their results should be good, you have the impression they can be dangerous. And let's not remember that he came mid-season, and didn't have the time for anything. Allegri is an italian Moyes, he's never done really nothing to sit on a prestigious bench, if not being a buddy of an influential person (Galliani or Ferguson). In Cagliari he had a lot of time and good players, but never got any near to a UEFA qualification or a season over the standards. Milan NEVER played a nice football under Allegri, and even in the Ibra days the underachieved, by dropping a lot of points for his ineptitude (without Allegri on that bench for sure we wouldn't have THE scudetto, the sweetest win ever, 2011-12, with the team Milan had). Allegri is/was anti-football, the way Milan played was totally random and atrocious and all he could do was that donk smile on the bench. He's one of football mysteries, like how Motta and De Ceglie can play in Serie A.

Donadoni is doing literally WONDERS at Parma. Currently I can safely say they're the team who plays one of the best football out there. They're unbeaten since something like 18 matches, their last loss (not even deserved) was against us. If their results was these since August instead of November they'd be fighting for the Champions. Their build-up is so smooth and easy, a joy to watch, and it's really pleasing, it's like watching first Juve 2011-12. They arrive in front of the net with terrificant facility. If he has the character to repeat this in a big club it should be something to look for.

 

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3-2

 

[Mark]

He probably showers with it. He'll give it to DDR when he retires. Of course by that time they'll probably both retire

3-2 Dusan scores.

 

[Dostoevsky]

TBH since they're under Seedorf they're playing better than Allegri's era. He's unexperienced, but at least he's an intelligent guy, it is known since his player times that he was a "coach on the pitch" and he's got some good ideas. He's being terribly unlucky (red card after 5 mins, the Arda Turan ridiculous goal, the match against us) but Milan at least is doing something on the pitch, and in the long run their results should be good, you have the impression they can be dangerous. And let's not remember that he came mid-season, and didn't have the time for anything. Allegri is an italian Moyes, he's never done really nothing to sit on a prestigious bench, if not being a buddy of an influential person (Galliani or Ferguson). In Cagliari he had a lot of time and good players, but never got any near to a UEFA qualification or a season over the standards. Milan NEVER played a nice football under Allegri, and even in the Ibra days the underachieved, by dropping a lot of points for his ineptitude (without Allegri on that bench for sure we wouldn't have THE scudetto, the sweetest win ever, 2011-12, with the team Milan had). Allegri is/was anti-football, the way Milan played was totally random and atrocious and all he could do was that donk smile on the bench. He's one of football mysteries, like how Motta and De Ceglie can play in Serie A.

Donadoni is doing literally WONDERS at Parma. Currently I can safely say they're the team who plays one of the best football out there. They're unbeaten since something like 18 matches, their last loss (not even deserved) was against us. If their results was these since August instead of November they'd be fighting for the Champions. Their build-up is so smooth and easy, a joy to watch, and it's really pleasing, it's like watching first Juve 2011-12. They arrive in front of the net with terrificant facility. If he has the character to repeat this in a big club it should be something to look for.

I agree Milan plays better ever since Seedorf came. I won't agree with the anti-football statement simply because football is about winning and not being a joy for fans to watch. It's not like we're seeing beautiful football from Conte but there's no way I'd let that guy because he's a great coach. While you say Milan has been rather unlucky I can see where is that coming from, however, you seem to forget the luck part they had -- when they kept scoring late goals. IMO blaming Seedorf at this point is idiotic, simply because he's pulling the best from the horrible Milan side, which is why I find sacking Allegri a bad decision.

As for Donadoni I can praise his Parma achievements as they are huge. But like I said, the weak league has to be taken under consideration. We're also seeing Verona and Atalanta being on a position where they simply do not belong (Verona to a lesser extent, at least they had/have a couple players carrying the team). Also, Donadoni choked way too much before coming to Parma.

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3-2 Dusan scores.

 

[Paul Poker]

TBH since they're under Seedorf they're playing better than Allegri's era.

They've lost 6 out of the last 8. To be fair they were the "better team" against us if you can call a team that can't score better. Honestly, I'd blame Seedorf for taking the job. Nobody would've said a bad word about him if he had declined. Hell, he was still PLAYING when they asked him.

Maybe you're right and we'll get to see whatever Seedorf is building right now, but to me it looks like he is trying to emulate the Milan of Ancelotti. The Milan of 2005, his Milan. That is simply not gonna work because he has nowhere near the players of that era. Also he really should've benched Balotelli by now, even if only to shield that kid from criticism.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

my only criticism of seedorf was to blame the club's problems on allegri, he hasn't done himself any favours and is already clutching straws doing so

 

[Mark]

Do people still have hope in Muriel?

Looking more like the eternal potential. Maybe needs a new club like Lazio or something.

 

[zizinho]

my only criticism of seedorf was to blame the club's problems on allegri, he hasn't done himself any favours and is already clutching straws doing so

i think its mostly allegris fault (but seedorf shouldnt blame him publicly). he didnt prepare the team enough phisicaly for the season (ridiculusly many injuries and everyone getting exhausted after 60 min.) so they couldnt play sat/wed constantly. it was also most of the key players injured so seedorf really couldnt do much about it. he should try to make the best out of this season but not try getting excuses before he even started...

 

[Paul Poker]

my only criticism of seedorf was to blame the club's problems on allegri, he hasn't done himself any favours and is already clutching straws doing so

I agree on that point. Terrible thing to do something like that publicly.

 

[Ocelot]

If they indeed fire Seedorf after 6 months one of the few attainable coaches who could help them out of their misery would be Guidolin. Yes, this year Udinese wasn't at its best, but like every year they had to deal with several key players leaving, and it seems age has finally caught up with Di Natale, as sad as that makes me.

The three seasons before that he has done wonders, constantly overachieving concerning the squad at his disposal, and he is excellent at developing young players, something Milan desperately need.

IMO he would be a great long-term choice for Milan, but knowing Berlusconi and the rest of the management I can sleep peacefully knowing that no sensible move can ever be expected from them.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Guidolin is a terribly underrated manager imo, not saying he is world class or anything but he reads the game well and is not stubborn like most other italian managers

 

[zizinho]

what is Rijkaard doing currently. i heaar every year that he will be the new Milan coach...

 

[Badass J Elkann]

Do people still have hope in Muriel?

Looking more like the eternal potential. Maybe needs a new club like Lazio or something.

meh i never bought a ticket to join the Muriel bandwagon, to a certain degree he is a tad overrated, I can't honestly see him becoming world class and i don't think he truly reflects udinese's valuation of him

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what is Rijkaard doing currently. i heaar every year that he will be the new Milan coach...

van basten too, in fact he was even in attendance to watch milan recently

 

[Paul Poker]

IMO he would be a great long-term choice for Milan, but knowing Berlusconi and the rest of the management I can sleep peacefully knowing that no sensible move can ever be expected from them.

Didn't Guidolin almost quit football entirely because of health reasons and because the pressure was too much for him (these two are possibly related)? I agree he's a good coach but I very much doubt he'd leave Udinese, especially for a media frenzy like Milan.

 

[zizinho]

van basten too, in fact he was even in attendance to watch milan recently

those are coaches Galliani should look at.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

at the end of the day milan want to try and cut corners financially, after all it is cheaper to hire and fire wannabe's like seedorf and allegri than to do the same with someone like AVB