[ITA] Serie A 2013/2014 (40 Viewers)

[Ragazza]

That's what I don't get.

With the TdT and all th CCTV there is in grounds, I see no reason why they can't hold individuals responsible instead of jumping straight to closing sections or entire stadiums.

They did manage to give stadium bans to those Inter fans who beat up a Juve fan at the derby. So it seems to be more a matter of not wanting to deal with racism, so just coming up with the "easiest" solution they can think of, without caring about the repercussions or that it won't actually fix the problem in the end. Not only that but slowly destroying the game in the country.

 

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[Hist]

Do you realise this is one of those steps on the way, from brilliant fantastic italian atmosphere, to goddamn boring EPL ?


I'm glad ultra's protest about this.


Please dont let italy become "sing 2 songs, then STFU"

While the Italian atmosphere is more appealing to the likes of you and me. I think the great majority would be against it.
The atmosphere in the EPL is more "sissy" but it opened the door for fans from a higher income level, more families, more tourists, more females, more kids, more friendly games in the stadium, less accidents caused by hooliganism and ultimately more money for the club. It also allowed clubs to have the fans almost right onto the football pitch.

I dont have the numbers to back up what I am saying but I think its largely self-evident and would be worth it financially speaking. Serie A as a whole needs to clean up and thats one problem of many.

 

[Zacheryah]

While the Italian atmosphere is more appealing to the likes of you and me. I think the great majority would be against it.
The atmosphere in the EPL is more "sissy" but it opened the door for fans from a higher income level, more families, more tourists, more females, more kids, more friendly games in the stadium, less accidents caused by hooliganism and ultimately more money for the club. It also allowed clubs to have the fans almost right onto the football pitch.

I dont have the numbers to back up what I am saying but I think its largely self-evident and would be worth it financially speaking. Serie A as a whole needs to clean up and thats one problem of many.

Should football entirely become a toy of the rich ?

 

[Hist]

Whats with the socialist talk? . I didnt say it should be nor did I say raise ticket prices. I said its better to make the environment more friendly thereby allowing a greater number of people to enjoy the game in the stadium (I personally prefer the italian atmosphere).

People who perhaps fear or find the current italian atmosphere too offensive or too dangerous to bring females or kids or their families to the stadium would not be so discouraged and the stadium wont be full of empty seats like that.

Also fans and players would be closer to each other in terms of distance without all the barriers that security have in place in the italian game.

The hooliganistic passion is worth being sacrificed when the opportunity cost is more money for the clubs, happier fans, and happier players. And yes the rich would be one group (amongst many others) that would prefer a friendlier/classier environment.

and what if I said.. should football be a toy for the poor?

 

[Zacheryah]

I think juventus is showing exacyly how all that can be overcome.

Our fans arevery close to the field. yet still behind enough barriers. They have their space to make that amazing italian atmosphere, wich used to be a draw for spectators on its own.
We have sections for the away side and ultra's, but also excellent mainstands wich are well suited for family's, coupled with a solid building plan for skyboxes and business seats.

We immediatly went to nearly 40k capacity wich we never really got in the past for regular games.

Its all about design. Our stadium is still very loud and indimidating. Teams find it very hard to come to juventus stadium and impose their play.


Juve is an example to italy, and i'm pround of its italian fans and stadium

 

[Hist]

I agree. but i wont leave you before you admit that the environment at Deli Alpi was more 'masculin' and that some hooliganism was sacrificed in the process. not ALL but some

 

[Ragazza]

People who perhaps fear or find the current italian atmosphere too offensive or too dangerous to bring females or kids or their families to the stadium would not be so discouraged and the stadium wont be full of empty seats like that.

Personally I would rather attend a match closer to the way things are now than a watered-down, quiet, "safe" version. A couple other girls I know who attend matches in Italy (more often than me) feel the same. Like I said there has to be another way to combat things like stadium violence & racism without sacrificing atmosphere.

 

[rounder]

I would probably agree with Hist on this one. Many of the ultras are ignorant racists who create a very hostile environment. I've lost count of the number of times we've been fined for stupid antics. It needs to stop. The atmosphere can still be intimidating just by sheer number of fans. Maybe not as much but you need to weigh that against how much money we can potentially be making with a friendlier atmosphere. And I'm not just talking about Juventus, but all of Serie A. There are so many empty seats in the stands, it's embarrassing. Anyone who isn't a die hard serie A fan wouldn't take long to notice that. one main reason is that the intimidation factor goes both ways. Yes you intimidate the opponent but you're also intimidating families, tourists etc.. and I think the financial opportunity cost is high enough alone to make a good argument here. Add to that the higher likelihood of a more attractive venue for sponsors and it would make little sense to leave things as they are.

There used to be a time where good competitive football used to attract fans. That ended in the 90's. now we have a reverse causality where attractive venues with plenty of friendly fans attract commercial investment, and thus more money, and better players. We should stop living in the past. Fighting against the trend will get you nowhere as very evidently seen in the unfortunately overwhelming decline of serie A's competitiveness in Europe.

 

[.zero]

I recall how strange it was attending a match before our new stadium was unveiled and our resurgence/renaissance occurred. The clientele of attendees was not what I imagined it to be in May of 2011. Mostly ultras were there in the dying embers of the season against Chievo.

 

[thepaolocarmine]

Juventus ultras have joined Milan and Inter with their invitation to break the rules, forcing the closure of all stadiums.

The protest movement is spreading after Milan were ordered to play their next home game against Udinese behind closed doors for chants insulting Neapolitans.

This is an extension of the rules introduced to combat racism in stadiums, but the ultras protest this is trying to stamp out traditional inter-city rivalry that has always existed.

Inter ultras showed solidarity with Milan and now the Juventus 'Fighters – Curva Sud Scirea’ have joined in.

“This is just another pointless and unconstitutional mechanism to discriminate against the ultras, condemning freedom of speech,” read the Juve ultras statement.

“During the next game in Florence on October 20 we invite all the fans to sing along with us those 'famous’ chants of territorial discrimination. We invite supporters everywhere to unite in our protest by showing banners and singing these chants in every stadium on Friday 18, Saturday 19 and Sunday 20 October.”

The plan from the various different groups of ultras is for all of the clubs to receive a ban simultaneously, so that an entire weekend of games will be played behind closed doors.
Source:Football Italia

 

[Ragazza]

 

[Hust]

Juventus ultras have joined Milan and Inter with their invitation to break the rules, forcing the closure of all stadiums.

The protest movement is spreading after Milan were ordered to play their next home game against Udinese behind closed doors for chants insulting Neapolitans.

This is an extension of the rules introduced to combat racism in stadiums, but the ultras protest this is trying to stamp out traditional inter-city rivalry that has always existed.

Inter ultras showed solidarity with Milan and now the Juventus 'Fighters – Curva Sud Scirea’ have joined in.

“This is just another pointless and unconstitutional mechanism to discriminate against the ultras, condemning freedom of speech,” read the Juve ultras statement.

“During the next game in Florence on October 20 we invite all the fans to sing along with us those 'famous’ chants of territorial discrimination. We invite supporters everywhere to unite in our protest by showing banners and singing these chants in every stadium on Friday 18, Saturday 19 and Sunday 20 October.”

The plan from the various different groups of ultras is for all of the clubs to receive a ban simultaneously, so that an entire weekend of games will be played behind closed doors.
Source:Football Italia

Italy

 

[Joe]

 

[Ragazza]

Really though, I hate this entire situation. While I am in agreement that the punishment is excessive, I think this "protest" will only make things worse & fuel the fire against Italian fans as a whole.

 

[rounder]

The thing those fans don't get is that their clubs are not siding with them on this. Let's not kid ourselves here, these fans aren't out there singing songs with meanings that coincide with footballing rivalries. They're going out there and in many cases blurting out outright racist chants against players. It's absolutely disgusting. Many players have publicly protested about this and it makes Italy look like a truly backwards country in front of the rest of Europe.

There has to be some kind of limit to what people can say. And this whole solidarity thing is a complete joke. They're acting like a bunch of kids. The only thing it's going to accomplish is get another fine for the club and a diminished atmosphere in an upcoming game.

 

[Vlad]

I'm with ultras on this one. Little insult thrown now and then and considering it's basically dick measuring between two regions in no way should be enough for stadium ban. Ridiculous decision.

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Italy

So you would prefer theater atmosphere like the one seen on British stadiums? Cheering in Italy is dying breed and these kind of decisions are only speeding up the process.

 

[Suns]

Poor Ultras, they can't be racist. Buhu.

 

[Trezegol17]

Ahh so they are planning to join Milan and Inter, and who pays for the fines? Indeed Juventus. how many fines did we have allready because of them? 200k in total?
Great thinking by the Ultra's,
You can be an 'Ultra' without being a racist you morons!

 

[Salvo]

What sort of chants are they talking about?

 

[Vlad]

What sort of chants are they talking about

If I understood correctly they've been singing chants offensive to Napolitans and Campania region and those are qualified as territorial discrimination, but racism as I've seen people mentioning that issue has nothing to do with this one.