[ITA] Serie A 2011/2012 (90 Viewers)
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I'd rather say this season only.
And he's limited because IMO he's a brainless player like Drenthe but he does have more tactical awareness. I don't like when fullbacks aren't dynamic and can't get past opponents when needed, but they decide to play back with the ball. One of the few reasons why I liked Caceres is because of his aggression and dynamic style.
Dunno, I don't rate Maggio, I think he's decent at best and I don't think I'd ever consider him for any bigger club.
And he's limited because IMO he's a brainless player like Drenthe but he does have more tactical awareness. I don't like when fullbacks aren't dynamic and can't get past opponents when needed, but they decide to play back with the ball. One of the few reasons why I liked Caceres is because of his aggression and dynamic style.
Dunno, I don't rate Maggio, I think he's decent at best and I don't think I'd ever consider him for any bigger club.
Dusan, I'm not going to say Maggio's great or anything; Napoli is a good fit for him.
One thing I can't figure out about how you like a team to play:
You like attacking fullbacks and you like attacking wingers.
Do you like to play two DMs or are you quite happy to only have three defensive players on the pitch?
What happens if you come up against a team who plays the same way? Do you try to defend with only a few players against a side that leaves three or four players high up the pitch?
One thing I can't figure out about how you like a team to play:
You like attacking fullbacks and you like attacking wingers.
Do you like to play two DMs or are you quite happy to only have three defensive players on the pitch?
What happens if you come up against a team who plays the same way? Do you try to defend with only a few players against a side that leaves three or four players high up the pitch?
But what's the difference between an offensive wingback or a defensive winger? 
Menez could be a very good signing for the price mentioned but I am yet to find confirmation on the rumour ... he has indeed turned into a complete scumbag in Roma but, as a Milan fan
, I am hoping it's just a reflection of the environment and locker room at the Olimpico. Other than that, he is a very talanted player I wanted instead of Gourcuff, while Menez was still at Monaco. If Menez can be influenced by Allegri and the Milan environment, he may well turn out to be a lot more than a depth signing for Milan.This being sad, at this point in time, he is hardly what the fans are expecting as his allure as a player is far behind that of Fabregas, Ganso, etc
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There are too many formations I'd like to see, but they all require different approach. Sometimes I give a shit formation because it's quite realistic or something we can see at Juve next season. But if it was up to me, I'd play 4-3-3 with two wide wingers and a midfield like Inler - Pirlo - Marchisio (not that those are world class but something that I think it could work). If there's a random choice of players I'd probably pick Inler - Pirlo - Kwadwo with some wingers, striker would be Matri at this point, or if I had a pick - Benzema. As for defense I'd like to balance it but it surely wouldn't be all defensive. I'd like to get Beck (or Isla) for example as I think he's pretty balanced and adds a lot while left back would probably be more offensive. Of course, many other players are needed and if it was up to me Sissoko would be in the rotation.
4-4-2 with defensive fullbacks, semi-attacking wingers, regista and a DM = Italians fail. On the top of that add a SS and a poacher. IMO that's one of the biggest flaws in Italy where many coaches still love that, but I find it extremely useless, especially in Europe.
4-4-2 with defensive fullbacks, semi-attacking wingers, regista and a DM = Italians fail. On the top of that add a SS and a poacher. IMO that's one of the biggest flaws in Italy where many coaches still love that, but I find it extremely useless, especially in Europe.
Just curious, since you seem to spend the entire time disagreeing whenever someone (me) suggests a more defensively capable player be favoured anywhere other than CB.
I like 4-4-1-1, but when I speak about 'defensive' wingers, I mean guys like Nedved and Camoranesi who are great going forward, but still work hard.
I pretty much agree with you on the 4-3-3 and the sort of players that should be in it for Juve next season, though.
I like 4-4-1-1, but when I speak about 'defensive' wingers, I mean guys like Nedved and Camoranesi who are great going forward, but still work hard.
I pretty much agree with you on the 4-3-3 and the sort of players that should be in it for Juve next season, though.
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I guess I'm in favor of having a dynamic team when players do different things and can fit different roles. Wingers should run back, but I don't think they are required to play any defensive football whatsoever. I can mention Barcelona players, but I will be told how they play possession football, which is true. But there are some other clubs (Real) that play very offensive and yet do very well. They can field Di Maria, Ozil, Ronaldo, Xabi, Kaka or Benzema and they will do great (only different approach against crazy Barca). Yet some would say how their defense is amazing and how they defend great but they have Marcelo as their left back, somebody who's claimed to be awful in defense. To sum it up, I think defensive roles and their movement is vital for organization of the whole team, but midfield should have more freedom. DMs are becoming a past IMO, as box-to-box players are having more vital role nowadays I think, which is another good point how to focus central midfield. But when I see this:
GK
Defensive RB - CB - CB - Defensive LB
Workrate RW - DM - Regista - Workrate LW
SS - Poacher
I feel like throwing up.
GK
Defensive RB - CB - CB - Defensive LB
Workrate RW - DM - Regista - Workrate LW
SS - Poacher
I feel like throwing up.
No-one actually suggests playing with two defensive fullbacks and defensive wingers is a good idea, though.
And do Real Madrid do very well with the system they play?
They are miles better than everyone in Spain, except Barca, so it doesn't much matter what system they play in 90% of games.
DMs have gone out of fashion a little in recent years because 4-3-3 was common, so there was no trequartista for the DM to play. With 4-2-3-1 being used by a lot of teams, I wouldn't be susrprised to see more teams going back to using a DM again.
And do Real Madrid do very well with the system they play?
They are miles better than everyone in Spain, except Barca, so it doesn't much matter what system they play in 90% of games.
DMs have gone out of fashion a little in recent years because 4-3-3 was common, so there was no trequartista for the DM to play. With 4-2-3-1 being used by a lot of teams, I wouldn't be susrprised to see more teams going back to using a DM again.
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We had terribly organized defense, even if fullbacks were/are weak. As for our LB, he was anything but offensive, especially if we're talking about Grosso.
Krasic was offensive but you can hear critics "ah, he's not defending" "his defensive game is weak". And hell, even Nedved told him to improve that IIRC, which I find rather silly. Pepe was doing... whatever he was doing, I didn't like it at all. But we're in favor of playing Del Piero - Matri lately, that SS - Poacher duo (due to injuries but still).
I don't know... so far it seems just terrible. I don't like our transfer market so far and I'm not optimistic really. It seems to me that we're building one of those balanced 4-4-2 which will get overrun. Bastos - Melo - Pirlo/Marchisio - Krasic ... if we do miss out on Inler and Melo stays. To me that looks rather average, even if we have Matri - Quag up front. Ziegler - Chillini - Bonucci - X doesn't make me any more optimistic either. Hopefully we'll see a transfer explosion because our eyes will hurt from watching Juve next season if these rather average signings keep going.
Krasic was offensive but you can hear critics "ah, he's not defending" "his defensive game is weak". And hell, even Nedved told him to improve that IIRC, which I find rather silly. Pepe was doing... whatever he was doing, I didn't like it at all. But we're in favor of playing Del Piero - Matri lately, that SS - Poacher duo (due to injuries but still).
I don't know... so far it seems just terrible. I don't like our transfer market so far and I'm not optimistic really. It seems to me that we're building one of those balanced 4-4-2 which will get overrun. Bastos - Melo - Pirlo/Marchisio - Krasic ... if we do miss out on Inler and Melo stays. To me that looks rather average, even if we have Matri - Quag up front. Ziegler - Chillini - Bonucci - X doesn't make me any more optimistic either. Hopefully we'll see a transfer explosion because our eyes will hurt from watching Juve next season if these rather average signings keep going.
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