[ITA] Serie A 2010/2011 (46 Viewers)
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But that's where the scouting comes into play. Lyon is a relatively big club and they have success with the youth. Porto and Arsenal are similar.
Serie A fans are overly obsessed with the whole "young players have to play constantly" to become good, but that isn't the case. Coaching is a major part of their development, plus they play constantly in practice.
Italy needs a reserve league if they want to develop the youth. Loans and regulations against non-EU players won't help.
Serie A fans are overly obsessed with the whole "young players have to play constantly" to become good, but that isn't the case. Coaching is a major part of their development, plus they play constantly in practice.
Italy needs a reserve league if they want to develop the youth. Loans and regulations against non-EU players won't help.
How's he a genius? he has'nt won shit in 6 years. signs shit players, genuis does'nt sign the players that he's signed in the last couple of years. He only won titles, cause when he came to the EPL it was shit, only two teams - Arsenal and Man U, and they were'nt even that good compared to others in europe at the time.
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Depends, which players and what age.
Some players are born leaders and with quality, and they don't need much time to settle in. Let's not forget it's Manchester United who kept playing C.Ronaldo at the age of 18-19, Messi at Barcelona and Hamsik, Pastore at their current clubs. Those aren't weak teams but nonetheless, proven young players never take too much time to settle in and those players are well known. It's the style of thinking that keeps Italy backwards. Look at the management, coaches and even people from Italy, they an implemented mind-set of how their primary focus exactly is experience. Did you see the new bullshit recently? Some guy said how Pastore is too young for Serie A and it's exactly what happens literally and how clubs do think. Nobody will go after Kwadwo now, but every club will rush in to buy the mediocre Montolivo for the same amount of money, while Asamoah will go aboard and become three times better player. Nobody will go after Sakho, but for Bonucci and you know what's the reason? Well, Bonucci has the
Serie A experience
We skipped on Hamsik for 6mln euros but we signed the "proven" Almiron and Tiago, look what happened later. Almiron flopped badly while Tiago lurked every single penny from Juve's bank. Piqué was pretty normal but they kept on playing him and look what happened.
Everyone laughs at Sanchez. Maybe not now, but they did so many times. He was being called a trick pony, but it seems they keep their mouth shut now. He always had the potential and he's turning into amazing player. So what does proven means? That unproven Sanchez would make this Juve look different this year but most of the clubs prefer the "workhorse" such as Pepe who offers nothing literally, simply a good bench player. Unproven Hamsik was always better than Tiago, Almiron, Marchisio. Unproven Cavani was far more useful than Iaquinta.
Mourinho at Porto signed 13 players when they were third. Season after, half of those players were worth over 15mln euros and they ended up with a CL in their hands. All of those were inexperienced and unproven players. Now they are one of the best defenders Pepe, one of the best defenders at Chelsea - Carvalho, Deco who was amazing, Lisandro who banged in goals like there's no tomorrow, Bruno Alves and many more. Chelsea took a "risk" with Luiz and started playing him right away, he will become one of the best defenders.
Dortmund - Subotic, Hummels, Götze and Barrios have wiped the floor with experienced Bayern and they will win the title. Their transfers were written at a sum of 18.5mln while Bayern's was 118mln euros.
It's crystal clear that clubs in Italy are doing a weird job with the money they posses and it's clearly seen in Europe as they even lost the 4th CL spot.
Some players are born leaders and with quality, and they don't need much time to settle in. Let's not forget it's Manchester United who kept playing C.Ronaldo at the age of 18-19, Messi at Barcelona and Hamsik, Pastore at their current clubs. Those aren't weak teams but nonetheless, proven young players never take too much time to settle in and those players are well known. It's the style of thinking that keeps Italy backwards. Look at the management, coaches and even people from Italy, they an implemented mind-set of how their primary focus exactly is experience. Did you see the new bullshit recently? Some guy said how Pastore is too young for Serie A and it's exactly what happens literally and how clubs do think. Nobody will go after Kwadwo now, but every club will rush in to buy the mediocre Montolivo for the same amount of money, while Asamoah will go aboard and become three times better player. Nobody will go after Sakho, but for Bonucci and you know what's the reason? Well, Bonucci has the
Serie A experience We skipped on Hamsik for 6mln euros but we signed the "proven" Almiron and Tiago, look what happened later. Almiron flopped badly while Tiago lurked every single penny from Juve's bank. Piqué was pretty normal but they kept on playing him and look what happened.
Everyone laughs at Sanchez. Maybe not now, but they did so many times. He was being called a trick pony, but it seems they keep their mouth shut now. He always had the potential and he's turning into amazing player. So what does proven means? That unproven Sanchez would make this Juve look different this year but most of the clubs prefer the "workhorse" such as Pepe who offers nothing literally, simply a good bench player. Unproven Hamsik was always better than Tiago, Almiron, Marchisio. Unproven Cavani was far more useful than Iaquinta.
Mourinho at Porto signed 13 players when they were third. Season after, half of those players were worth over 15mln euros and they ended up with a CL in their hands. All of those were inexperienced and unproven players. Now they are one of the best defenders Pepe, one of the best defenders at Chelsea - Carvalho, Deco who was amazing, Lisandro who banged in goals like there's no tomorrow, Bruno Alves and many more. Chelsea took a "risk" with Luiz and started playing him right away, he will become one of the best defenders.
Dortmund - Subotic, Hummels, Götze and Barrios have wiped the floor with experienced Bayern and they will win the title. Their transfers were written at a sum of 18.5mln while Bayern's was 118mln euros.
It's crystal clear that clubs in Italy are doing a weird job with the money they posses and it's clearly seen in Europe as they even lost the 4th CL spot.
Examples like Messi - i.e. players coming from the youth system - are those exceptions to the rule I mentioned.
As for Porto, they also had to make considerable investment in those layers but even then for every "scouted" player, there are several others who didn't work out so well ... problem is they are low profile "mis-scouts"
and we don't see them, we tend to see only the success stories, not the failures.When Dortmund started building this generation of youngsters, they were a midtable team driven to the edge of bankruptcy and they were forced to employ the Udinese approah ... it did eventually i.e. this year, work out for them but their success was by no means an instant one as it took them years to gather this group of young players.
As for what Napoli and Udinese are doing, they are midtable teams - just because they have a good year now, doesn't change that fact and even then Napoli is having this season because they paid close to 20 mil for Cavani and that's hardly good scouting - it's already quite an investment.
Regarding the case of when betting on a "proven" player not working out (Thiago in Juve), well, that's part of the business, there are examples of it all over the place
... I never said that paying more for a "proven" player (another stretchy term) always proves to be the better move than investing in a lesser known and younger player or giving a chance to one of the youth system players. All I am saying is that, when it comes to big clubs, they find it cheaper to invest in high-profile talent as opposed to take a gamble and fill their team with potential stars, most of whom will never become that anyway - this leads to missing out on titles, which leads to missing out on revenues, etc, etc.
This category, please read. Xavi, Puyol and Iniesta came into a team who had Vitor Baia, Guardiola, Figo, Sergi, Rivaldo, Kluivert, the de Boers, Nadal and were winning titles, and then they went on a barren spell for a few years.
Messi came into a team that had Xavi, Iniesta, Ronaldinho, Kluivert, Marquez, Puyol, Davids, Overmars, Luis Enrique, Valdes.
Pedro, you know the story...
Messi came into a team that had Xavi, Iniesta, Ronaldinho, Kluivert, Marquez, Puyol, Davids, Overmars, Luis Enrique, Valdes.
Pedro, you know the story...
Depends, which players and what age.
Some players are born leaders and with quality, and they don't need much time to settle in. Let's not forget it's Manchester United who kept playing C.Ronaldo at the age of 18-19, Messi at Barcelona and Hamsik, Pastore at their current clubs. Those aren't weak teams but nonetheless, proven young players never take too much time to settle in and those players are well known. It's the style of thinking that keeps Italy backwards. Look at the management, coaches and even people from Italy, they an implemented mind-set of how their primary focus exactly is experience. Did you see the new bullshit recently? Some guy said how Pastore is too young for Serie A and it's exactly what happens literally and how clubs do think. Nobody will go after Kwadwo now, but every club will rush in to buy the mediocre Montolivo for the same amount of money, while Asamoah will go aboard and become three times better player. Nobody will go after Sakho, but for Bonucci and you know what's the reason? Well, Bonucci has the Serie A experience
We skipped on Hamsik for 6mln euros but we signed the "proven" Almiron and Tiago, look what happened later. Almiron flopped badly while Tiago lurked every single penny from Juve's bank. Piqué was pretty normal but they kept on playing him and look what happened.
Everyone laughs at Sanchez. Maybe not now, but they did so many times. He was being called a trick pony, but it seems they keep their mouth shut now. He always had the potential and he's turning into amazing player. So what does proven means? That unproven Sanchez would make this Juve look different this year but most of the clubs prefer the "workhorse" such as Pepe who offers nothing literally, simply a good bench player. Unproven Hamsik was always better than Tiago, Almiron, Marchisio. Unproven Cavani was far more useful than Iaquinta.
Mourinho at Porto signed 13 players when they were third. Season after, half of those players were worth over 15mln euros and they ended up with a CL in their hands. All of those were inexperienced and unproven players. Now they are one of the best defenders Pepe, one of the best defenders at Chelsea - Carvalho, Deco who was amazing, Lisandro who banged in goals like there's no tomorrow, Bruno Alves and many more. Chelsea took a "risk" with Luiz and started playing him right away, he will become one of the best defenders.
Dortmund - Subotic, Hummels, Götze and Barrios have wiped the floor with experienced Bayern and they will win the title. Their transfers were written at a sum of 18.5mln while Bayern's was 118mln euros.
It's crystal clear that clubs in Italy are doing a weird job with the money they posses and it's clearly seen in Europe as they even lost the 4th CL spot.
Some players are born leaders and with quality, and they don't need much time to settle in. Let's not forget it's Manchester United who kept playing C.Ronaldo at the age of 18-19, Messi at Barcelona and Hamsik, Pastore at their current clubs. Those aren't weak teams but nonetheless, proven young players never take too much time to settle in and those players are well known. It's the style of thinking that keeps Italy backwards. Look at the management, coaches and even people from Italy, they an implemented mind-set of how their primary focus exactly is experience. Did you see the new bullshit recently? Some guy said how Pastore is too young for Serie A and it's exactly what happens literally and how clubs do think. Nobody will go after Kwadwo now, but every club will rush in to buy the mediocre Montolivo for the same amount of money, while Asamoah will go aboard and become three times better player. Nobody will go after Sakho, but for Bonucci and you know what's the reason? Well, Bonucci has the
Serie A experience We skipped on Hamsik for 6mln euros but we signed the "proven" Almiron and Tiago, look what happened later. Almiron flopped badly while Tiago lurked every single penny from Juve's bank. Piqué was pretty normal but they kept on playing him and look what happened.
Everyone laughs at Sanchez. Maybe not now, but they did so many times. He was being called a trick pony, but it seems they keep their mouth shut now. He always had the potential and he's turning into amazing player. So what does proven means? That unproven Sanchez would make this Juve look different this year but most of the clubs prefer the "workhorse" such as Pepe who offers nothing literally, simply a good bench player. Unproven Hamsik was always better than Tiago, Almiron, Marchisio. Unproven Cavani was far more useful than Iaquinta.
Mourinho at Porto signed 13 players when they were third. Season after, half of those players were worth over 15mln euros and they ended up with a CL in their hands. All of those were inexperienced and unproven players. Now they are one of the best defenders Pepe, one of the best defenders at Chelsea - Carvalho, Deco who was amazing, Lisandro who banged in goals like there's no tomorrow, Bruno Alves and many more. Chelsea took a "risk" with Luiz and started playing him right away, he will become one of the best defenders.
Dortmund - Subotic, Hummels, Götze and Barrios have wiped the floor with experienced Bayern and they will win the title. Their transfers were written at a sum of 18.5mln while Bayern's was 118mln euros.
It's crystal clear that clubs in Italy are doing a weird job with the money they posses and it's clearly seen in Europe as they even lost the 4th CL spot.
Everyone should read this twice, maybe three times. Or maybe even four if it doesn't sink in.
+REP.
It's not the football I'm talking about, but his philosophy of continually blooding young players. Maybe our ideal plan is to do that for 3-5 years and then build on top of it, rather than continually chopping and changing the team like Wenger. Next he'll be selling Fabregas, and saying 'look, I have Wilshere'.
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