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JuveJay

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I guess teams like Inter like winning things hench use experience unlike Arsenal who wank over young talent yet are content with winning nothing.
Well yeah, Wilshere would not be playing for Inter. It always helps to have coaches like Wenger around, unfortunately for England Wenger has been helping everyone elses national team for years up until that point :D
 

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Fred

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I guess teams like Inter like winning things hench use experience unlike Arsenal who wank over young talent yet are content with winning nothing.
That is true, though i fail to see the relevance of this comment to our topic.

Hold on a minute before we get carried away, I said the overpricing of domestic players was not restricted to Italy. And it isn't.

If we are comparing the rest of the WORLD'S young players against Italy's then there is always going to one winner. 'Back in the day' there were less foreign players allowed, at times none, as Alen and others here have often pointed out.

And when I see someone like Santon, clearly a very strong talent who can't get into a very strong Inter side which is full of experienced talent from all across the globe then I really don't understand the point that it is only about talent.

It seems that everytime I say something about Italy people (Fred in particular) keep saying the word 'victim'. What victimisation? It's tiresome and boring. Palermo and Udinese pack their team full of foreign youngsters, and I really do mean pack in Udinese's case as they turn over huge amounts of players from all across the world, of which half are not even particularly good, and then work with the better ones. That's fair enough, let them work how they want. They take cheap gambles and sometimes it pays off, with varying degress of success. If they wanted to buy an Italian player with the same talent as one of their better foreign youngsters they would never be able to afford them or at the formative stage compete with Inter, Milan and Juventus (look at our youth recruitment drive this summer for example). So they do what suits them.

I'm not expecting to see some huge influx of Italian talent, but the same problem exists in England with young players. It's not a question of victimisation it's a question of money and sheer numbers. The influx of foreign players into a league means an inevitable decrease in domestic talent. Going back to the argument that a talented player will break through anyway, that is only true up to a point. That's true for a Rooney or Balotelli or Messi, inevitable, but for a guy who might not be predestined it's not that simple. Now the competition is much more difficult. Those players now are not being given the chance to improve as players, and are dropping down teams and leagues. But this is also a problem for players of all nationalities, those clubs who hoard young players can't play all of them.

I'm not going to get into the issue of namechecking, it's been done to death. Italy doesn't have the same talent as a World Cup winning team coming through right now, go figure. There is going to be plenty of work to do, but with top level international games these 'ok' players will become much better players, that's the only way you improve in football.
In this instance i wasn't referring to you in person actually. The reference was to those who claim that Italian players aren't given enough chances because of their nationality, people who claim that Giovinco is just as good as Diego, but the latter is Brazilian hence is valued more. People who claim that Italian teams have players as talented as Alexis Sanchez, Jovetic, Pastore and co in their primavera's, but refuse to take risks on them.

I call all that bullshit and say that if any young Italian player is good enough, he'd force his way through, the perception that theres some kind of prejudice against Italian youngsters is laughable.
 

Fred

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Well yeah, Wilshere would not be playing for Inter. It always helps to have coaches like Wenger around, unfortunately for England Wenger has been helping everyone elses national team for years up until that point :D
I think thats bullshit, he might not have got his chance at 18, but he sure as hell would force his way in the team sooner or later. Did you see how Jack has performed for us thus far this season, he's been one of our top performers, and has played better than international stars such as Arshavin, Rosicky and co. So he is rightfully playing for the first team.
 

JuveJay

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I think thats bullshit, he might not have got his chance at 18, but he sure as hell would force his way in the team sooner or later. Did you see how Jack has performed for us thus far this season, he's been one of our top performers, and has played better than international stars such as Arshavin, Rosicky and co. So he is rightfully playing for the first team.
I respect your opinion but I don't think it is true at all, Arsenal are not as strong as Inter. He would be on the very edges of the squad, Coppa and occasional CL, like most of Wengers other kids.
 

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In this instance i wasn't referring to you in person actually. The reference was to those who claim that Italian players aren't given enough chances because of their nationality, people who claim that Giovinco is just as good as Diego, but the latter is Brazilian hence is valued more. People who claim that Italian teams have players as talented as Alexis Sanchez, Jovetic, Pastore and co in their primavera's, but refuse to take risks on them.

I call all that bullshit and say that if any young Italian player is good enough, he'd force his way through, the perception that theres some kind of prejudice against Italian youngsters is laughable.
Well I don't who these people are who say these crazy things but it wasn't me so please don't reply to my posts as if I said those things :tup:

Just for fun over the next 2-3 years I'm going to keep an eye on three players who are considered the best trio of U18 Italian players at this moment, to see if their 'talent' at this stage is demonstrated later on. These are kids who are considered amongst the best across Europe for their ages right now;

Stephan El Shaarawi - most leading European teams including Arsenal have looked at or bid for him, he's Genoa's crown jewel and Preziosi thinks he is already good enough for Italy at 17 (take that with a pinch of salt).

Lorenzo Tassi - dubbed 'the new Baggio', another one you say, Milan have had a €5m bid already rejected by Brescia and he is 15.

Lorenzo Crisetig - became the youngest Azzurrini debutant this year aged 17, arguably the standout from a current Inter Primavera with several good prospects.
 

Fred

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I respect your opinion but I don't think it is true at all, Arsenal are not as strong as Inter. He would be on the very edges of the squad, Coppa and occasional CL, like most of Wengers other kids.

I didn't say he'd make their team right now at 18 years of age. But he'd probably make the first team eventually. Because he is that good, very talented player.
 

Fred

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Well I don't who these people are who say these crazy things but it wasn't me so please don't reply to my posts as if I said those things :tup:

Just for fun over the next 2-3 years I'm going to keep an eye on three players who are considered the best trio of U18 Italian players at this moment, to see if their 'talent' at this stage is demonstrated later on. These are kids who are considered amongst the best across Europe for their ages right now;

Stephan El Shaarawi - most leading European teams including Arsenal have looked at or bid for him, he's Genoa's crown jewel and Preziosi thinks he is already good enough for Italy at 17 (take that with a pinch of salt).

Lorenzo Tassi - dubbed 'the new Baggio', another one you say, Milan have had a €5m bid already rejected by Brescia and he is 15.

Lorenzo Crisetig - became the youngest Azzurrini debutant this year aged 17, arguably the standout from a current Inter Primavera with several good prospects.
Go back to the previous page. I never did quote or reply to any of your posts.
 

JuveJay

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So you just happened to post something directly on the topic I posted about straight after I posted? Where I come from we call that a reply.

Nice story:

Blog: The Fabbrini Factory



James Horncastle reports on Empoli’s thriving youth policy, as illustrated in the rise of Italian football’s latest starlet Diego Fabbrini

Diego Fabbrini is what you’d call ideal son-in-law material. The preppy 20-year-old Italian is nothing short of a model student. He recently enrolled on a law degree, espousing his interest in the private and constitutional aspects of a profession that has always held a high standing in society.

He is settled with Rachele, his girlfriend of over a year, and appears grounded with no ideas above his station, as exemplified in his modest taste in clothing and food. “Give me a pizza and you’ll always make me happy,” Fabbrini smiles. He admits that somewhere in his house there is an Xbox 360, but hastens to add it doesn’t get used too often and is probably gathering dust somewhere in a cupboard.

All things considered, one can draw the conclusion that Fabbrini isn’t your average footballer. “My model has always been Kaka,” he adds, which explains a lot about the Empoli starlet’s reserved and unassuming character. It appears his law degree has already taught him to watch what he says, for when asked to reveal the team of his heart, Fabbrini replied: “I’ve never had one.” When pressed on reported interest from Fiorentina, he simply said: “Next question, please.”

Make no mistake about it, though, Fabbrini is just as smart on the pitch too, and with a name like Diego it’s only natural that there is great expectation on the playmaker’s shoulders, especially in light of Cesare Prandelli’s recent claim that “there aren’t any talented youngsters around.”

Fabbrini must be an exception then. He hit the headlines earlier this month after inspiring the Italy Under-21s to a 2-0 victory over Belarus in the first leg of their European Championship play-off, supplying Mattia Destro with a sensational assist. His virtuoso performance against Siena on Monday only added to the hype surrounding his undoubted ability.

“Few players know how to beat their man in a one on one situation like he does. Diego is the best player in his age group after Mario Balotelli,” Fabbrini’s former mentor Salvatore Campilongo explained. “Call him the alchemist,” wrote La Gazzetta dello Sport’s Francesco Velluzzi. “Here is the classic example of a youngster who deserves a bigger stage.”

Fabbrini was afforded such an opportunity in the summer when instead of recruiting abroad like they have done in the past, Udinese went 'against the grain’ in Italy by 'courageously’ deciding to invest in a prospect from Serie B. They bought a 50 per cent stake in Fabbrini with a view to a permanent transfer. But knowing he would play more regular first team football at Empoli, he showed incredible maturity in saying: “Leave me in Serie B.”

It certainly looks to have been the right decision. Empoli have always had a strong tradition of bringing through young players, the most famous graduates of their fertile academy being Vincenzo Montella, Antonio Di Natale and Massimo Maccarone. So after missing out on promotion last season, the club’s owner Fabrizio Corsi went back to their roots. He got rid of veteran players like Ighli Vannucchi, and sold Eder and Gabriele Angella, the team’s stars, choosing instead to promote nine youngsters born either in 1990 or 1991.

“From an operating budget of €10.5m around 25 per cent is destined for the academy,” Corsi reveals. Empoli’s faith has been rewarded. Astonishingly, they are the only side yet to suffer defeat in Serie B and now lie fourth in the standings. “There are youngsters in Italy,” Empoli boss Alfredo Aglietti told Il Corriere della Sera. “You just have to play them. If you throw them into the mix once and then after the first mistake don’t allow them to return for two years, they’ll never mature.”

And therein lies the simple but often forgotten formula to successful youth development, one that Fabbrini has benefited from and one that Italy boss Prandelli needs to promote. “Thank you Totti and Del Piero,” wrote Luigi Garlando in La Gazzetta dello Sport. “But it’s better to spend Italy’s friendlies building a future rather than honouring the past. We have no time to waste, seeing, for example, Fabbrini stamp his genius on the Under-21s.”

As of now, the law student might not be ready for such a jump in class, but if there is to be a change of culture on the peninsula, an attitude like Empoli’s is absolutely necessary at every level.

http://www.football-italia.net/blogs/jh120.html
Why should it be considered a 'courageous decision' to pay 50% for a talented player from Serie B because he might cost a bit more? Nice to see there are still teams around who use a youth system.
 
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