[ITA] Serie A 2010/2011 (45 Viewers)

[Gian]

Why if anythings goes wrongs in/with a country they blame foreigners? the only thing wrong with serie A is coaches the Italian coaches and their vision on football is just too much 1900's. And most young Italian players today are crap btw

 

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[Bjerknes]

I think you are being a bit simplistic with your view, foreign players clearly do restrict Italian players but as I said, I don't agree with it as the sole reason because better foreign players do improve domestic players (as long as the domestic players get a chance to play), and Italy failed at the World Cup because tactics were wrong, selection was wrong, and they made mistakes. If we are looking at it from a player versus player perspective then Italy shouldn't be drawing to NZ, Paraguay and losing to Slovakia, but football doesn't work like that.

Simplistic? Riiiight. Call me Gasperini then.

So I assume you're for the FIGC ruling on foreign players. If Italy finish last in their Euro 2012 Group, will you call for even stricter regulations?

If all this nonsense is based off of the fact that Inter has 0.5 worth of Italians on their team yet they won the CL, then I must say this is a very weak argument. But again, this is the knee-jerk BS folks pull when they don't want to admit faults.

If an Italian player is talented, he automatically is regarded as a better option since he understands the language, understands the country, et cetera. And at times, he might be regarded as the better talent than his foreign counterpart. So basically, Italian players are already subject to what amounts to affirmative action, making what Gasperini said utter bullshit.

Instead of these rules regulating foreign players, perhaps FIGC should make it more difficult for foreign clubs like Manure to poach youngsters away from Italy. That makes far more sense.

I worked it out in June:

65% Spanish in La Liga
58% Italian in Serie A
53% German in Bundesliga
40% English in Premier League

Probably slightly different now, but not much.

The problem is that on an individual basis, England > Italy at the moment.

So again, I don't see what the fuss is all about.

And all of this while he's trying to sign Veloso.

Yeah. What a moron.

Why if anythings goes wrongs in/with a country they blame foreigners? the only thing wrong with serie A is coaches the Italian coaches and their vision on football is just too much 1900's.

Bingo.

 

[Enron]

The number of foreign players in Italy make no difference if the national team is just a bunch of old guys, with an old coach, using outdated tactics.

 

[Bjerknes]

... or the tactics of other idiots, like using Marchisio wing.

 

[Salvatore]

... or the tactics of other idiots, like using Marchisio wing.

Or using Marchisio as a trequartista.

 

[JuveJay]

I agree with most of what you say to be honest, although I don't agree that it doesn't have a negative affect, because of what I said before - too many medicore foreigners are not a positive, good ones are. As you point out though, there are many more important reasons.

As for England, I'm tired of hearing how good these players are, they might look great in strong PL teams full of great foreign players but in an England shirt they are clueless.

 

[Bjerknes]

I agree with most of what you say to be honest, although I don't agree that it doesn't have a negative affect, because of what I said before - too many medicore foreigners are not a positive, good ones are. As you point out though, there are many more important reasons.

As for England, I'm tired of hearing how good these players are, they might look great in strong PL teams full of great foreign players but in an England shirt they are clueless.

Yeah, as a team they're absolute shit, but you can't deny that their core players as individuals are strong.

 

[Fred]

He's right though Andy, it's the same with the English. Too many foreign players in the Premiership dont allow the younger talents to be used.

Nonsense, in the 90's there weren't half as much foreign players in the EPL and they(English NT) were much worse than they are right now.

Foreign players is just an excuse. If you're good enough, you'd prove yourself and not force your club to resort to buying foreigners.

Thats why the Spanish don't have as much foreign players in their league, because their youngsters are good enough unlike their Italian and English counterparts.

 

[Fred]

Simplistic? Riiiight. Call me Gasperini then.

So I assume you're for the FIGC ruling on foreign players. If Italy finish last in their Euro 2012 Group, will you call for even stricter regulations?

If all this nonsense is based off of the fact that Inter has 0.5 worth of Italians on their team yet they won the CL, then I must say this is a very weak argument. But again, this is the knee-jerk BS folks pull when they don't want to admit faults.

If an Italian player is talented, he automatically is regarded as a better option since he understands the language, understands the country, et cetera. And at times, he might be regarded as the better talent than his foreign counterpart. So basically, Italian players are already subject to what amounts to affirmative action, making what Gasperini said utter bullshit.

Instead of these rules regulating foreign players, perhaps FIGC should make it more difficult for foreign clubs like Manure to poach youngsters away from Italy. That makes far more sense.



The problem is that on an individual basis, England > Italy at the moment.

So again, I don't see what the fuss is all about.



Yeah. What a moron.



Bingo.

 

[Alen]

Gasperini blames foreign players
Friday 30 July, 2010

Genoa Coach Gian Piero Gasperini has blamed foreign players for Italy's problems at the World Cup in South Africa.

The FIGC recently reduced the number of non-EU players Italian teams can register per season from one to two.

Speaking to La Gazzetta dello Sport, Gasperini said: “We keep filling teams with foreigners who are often useless.

“By now, even the academies are full of them. If we carry on like this, Italy will get even worse results than the actual ones.

“But I have confidence in Prandelli. He knows how important it is to work on the academies.

“The economic factor is predominant over the technical side of things. No one makes decisions based principally on technical necessities and the balance of the team.

“On too many occasions the players signed are those offered by agents, who represent a financial opportunity to the presidents, and not those that the team actually needs.”

http://www.football-italia.net/jul30k.html

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Or perhaps the Azzurri just wasn't good enough? Ever thunk of that?

Fucking retard. Glad we didn't get this guy. Don't need any more calcio scapegoat projectionists.

you
Gasperini

 

[JuveJay]

It's worth noting Gasperini's background of course, I suppose someone has to make add weight to the young player argument, enough people here complain about it.

 

[only-juve]

The whole foreigners argument is bullshit, one of the main reasons Italy had a bad world cup is because two of its most successful clubs (Juve and milan) were in a really bad shape. Historically whenever those two clubs were in a good shape Italy's NT would be great too.

Same could be said about spain by the way....

 

[Hængebøffer]

Nonsense, in the 90's there weren't half as much foreign players in the EPL and they(English NT) were much worse than they are right now.

Foreign players is just an excuse. If you're good enough, you'd prove yourself and not force your club to resort to buying foreigners.

Thats why the Spanish don't have as much foreign players in their league, because their youngsters are good enough unlike their Italian and English counterparts.

Iago?

 

[CalcioJuventus]

The number of foreign players in Italy make no difference if the national team is just a bunch of old guys, with an old coach, using outdated tactics.

I dont think the performance of Italys team in the world cup reflects the state of their football at all. I think Lippi just made some horrible decisions and called what was infact a second string italian team due to a combination of stubborness and injuries to players who could have added something.

If situations were different and certain players were fit and playing regularly for their clubs the team could have been much better. Ranocchia, Santon, Aquilani, Cassano, Balotelli, Miccoli, Totti, Rossi, Pirlo(uninjured) ... there were plenty of quality players available who would have made a big impact. I think Italy has nothing to worry about when you look as some of the younger players.

Most countries would be overjoyed to have that kind of talent around. Prandelli will hopefully use it.

Cassano-----Balotelli
---------Pirlo--------
Aquilani----------Marchisio
----------De Rossi-----
Santon-Chiellini-Bonucci--Motta
------------Buffon----------

Rossi, Quag, Montolivio, Ranocchia, Bocchetti, Giovinco, Pazzini, Criscito

If Italy took something like that to Euro I dont think they would be in crisis

 

[Dostoevsky]

Milan wants Poli. I wouldn't like to see that transfer.

 

[BillyG]

why not?

u think he'd be their new pirlo?

 

[Dostoevsky]

Well that's a big shot, Pirlo was amazing. I think Poli is gonna be great in a couple of years.

 

[JCK]

Who is Poli?

 

[Nicholas]

CM who plays for Sampdoria.

 

[BillyG]

he's pretty handy in FIFA10