[ITA] Coppa Italia 2008/2009 (12 Viewers)

[Azzurri7]

We're talking about football talent. He's showing it rarely in the last 2 seasons but when he does you can see that he's amazingly talented.
Like Zlatan in his second season with Juve. He was a disaster but could you doubt that he has an out of this world talent?

Nobody's saying that he is a great player. He's not because he's not using his talents consistently, but he certainly isn't some one dimensional runner.

Even Zlatan in his 2nd year at Juve managed to make it to Inter and received an offer from Milan. Rosina on the other hand, no one has spoke highly about, no decent defender has a problem stopping.

If he's not a great player like you say than someone with great vision and superb tech and fast player is what?

I'm still not getting the "not using his talents". Not using your talents means your not a good footballer for me. What's the point having talent and not using it?

 

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[Alen]

still define out of this world. besides the Zlatan comment, you picked the wrong guy talking about Zlatan, me thinks

Fine. By out of this world i meant perfect technique possessed by a very small number of people. In this case, guys like Ronaldinho, Del Piero, Zlatan, Messi.

And i don't think Rab ever doubted that Zlatan has great technique. He just says that having a great technique doesn't mean being a great player by default, which is true.

 

[Osman]

Osman, I'm not even going to comment on one youtube link. Please, we're not playing these games.

Why, how doesnt that goal show superb technique? You seen himself, but still question his technique, thats why I showed that. How doesnt that show his impressive technique?

 

[Alen]

I'm still not getting the "not using his talents". Not using your talents means your not a good footballer for me. What's the point having talent and not using it?

You try something, you fail and you get so frustrated that you don't even know what you're doing anymore. You try to do everything by yourself and you hurt the team that way.
That's exactly Rosina's problem.
Only 1 1/2 years ago he was the leader of Torino. He earned the captain's armband at young age and he was their alpha and omega. He was FC Torino actually. Adored by the fans, he won them matches singlehandedly. Most of the big teams wanted him actually. Wasn't it this summer that Arsenal wanted to buy him? Torino didn't want to let him go so early.

Last year he had an average season while this year he spent 2/3 of this season on the bench and he's not performing at all (apart from that Milan match). Nothing works for him anymore. Whatever he tries he fails. But he doesn't want to give up and he keeps trying and keeps failing.
Did he suddenly forget how to play football?
Where would you locate the problem if not in his head?

 

[Mark]

Andrès D'Alessandro also had "great" technique. Where's as that brought him? You need to have intelligence on the pitch. You don't have to write a straight line on the pitch and say I'm going there no matter what. You need vision, sense of positioning, some power on those shots to be more complete. Showing one trick doesn't make you a star. Don't listen to those GolTV commentators with their Rosinaldo stuff.

 

[Osman]

Perfectly put, in describing his flaws. Exactly what I meant in him being simplistic or a headless chicken, he tries to do everything by himself every time, and mentally just wears his down til his performances keep getting worse. But his still stubbornly keep trying, instead of find other ways to function with the team.

 

[Azzurri7]

You try something, you fail and you get so frustrated that you don't even know what you're doing anymore. You try to do everything by yourself and you hurt the team that way.
That's exactly Rosina's problem.
Only 1 1/2 years ago he was the leader of Torino. He earned the captain's armband at young age and he was their alpha and omega. He was FC Torino actually. Adored by the fans, he won them matches singlehandedly. Most of the big teams wanted him actually. Wasn't it this summer that Arsenal wanted to buy him? Torino didn't want to let him go so early.

Last year he had an average season while this year he spent 2/3 of this season on the bench and he's not performing at all (apart from that Milan match). Nothing works for him anymore. Whatever he tries he fails. But he doesn't want to give up and he keeps trying and keeps failing.
Did he suddenly forget how to play football?
Where would you locate the problem if not in his head?

It's not that he forgot to play Football, lol, what I'm saying is that you can't be rated that high for playing one decent season and then you're back to where you came from or where you started.

Also again Alen, I find him perfectly well in a team/club like Torino not more because he hasn't done anything to deserve a better team or to be rated the way Osman and you rated him.

And the problems you mentioned, that's part of Football, when everything goes wrong with you for over 2years + and you're playing for a club that pressure isn't hitting them like Juve, Inter, Milan, Roma then I don't see a reason other than he failed to make it.

 

[Osman]

Andrès D'Alessandro also had "great" technique. Where's as that brought him? You need to have intelligence on the pitch. You don't have to write a straight line on the pitch and say I'm going there no matter what. You need vision, sense of positioning, some power on those shots to be more complete. Showing one trick doesn't make you a star. Don't listen to those GolTV commentators with their Rosinaldo stuff.

No one said he is a great player. But you compared him to Odonkor, speedster without skill. While Rab is questionning his great technique and obvious talent. That has done very little and been average for a while is obvious. But its going overboard when you say he doesnt have talent or superb technique, when its painstackingly clear he does.

Good example with D'Alessandro, suiting comparison with a top talent who ended up nothing special, due to his obvious flaws and stubborn ways.

His example makes much worse sense the clueless comparison with Odonkor.

 

[Azzurri7]

Why, how doesnt that goal show superb technique? You seen himself, but still question his technique, thats why I showed that. How doesnt that show his impressive technique?

Because scoring couple of goals like that from lobbing or dribbling past defender doesn't make you a superb technique player. Crespo has scored these type of goals, so did Rvn and even Foggia, that doesn't mean they're superb technique players... It happens to score a beauty once a year or twice that technique played part of it, but again doesn't qualify you as one.

If that's the case also then I don't know what to call Kaka, Ronaldinho, Del Piero, Henry etc...

 

[Mark]

No one said he is a great player. But you compared him to Odonkor, speedster without skill. While Rab is questionning his great technique and obvious talent. That has done very little and been average for a while is obvious. But its going overboard when you say he doesnt have talent or superb technique, when its painstackingly clear he does.

Good example with D'Alessandro, suiting comparison with a top talent who ended up nothing special, due to his obvious flaws and stubborn ways.

His example makes much worse sense the clueless comparison with Odonkor.

I was comparing the intelligence part of the game between both players. I agree that Rosina has more skill but both have poor football intelligence.

Rosina's problem is that it may have worked for a season but when the other clubs adapted to his style he couldn't get out of it. He doesn't have the talent/football sense to change things. Kind of like a one trick pony.

 

[Mark]

Let's end this here and buy Cassano.

 

[Alen]

It's not that he forgot to play Football, lol, what I'm saying is that you can't be rated that high for playing one decent season and then you're back to where you came from or where you started.

Also again Alen, I find him perfectly well in a team/club like Torino not more because he hasn't done anything to deserve a better team or to be rated the way Osman and you rated him.

And the problems you mentioned, that's part of Football, when everything goes wrong with you for over 2years + and you're playing for a club that pressure isn't hitting them like Juve, Inter, Milan, Roma then I don't see a reason other than he failed to make it.

Well, of course
That's why both me and Osman mentioned many times that he's not a great player and he failed to make it.

What we disagreed on since the start is that he's one dimensional runner, like Odonkor. He's shown many times that he isn't that kind of player and on many occasions he's shown superb technique. But he didn't take an advantage of his great techniqie, just like many other players before him (D'Alessandro mentioned by Mark is only one of them), and so he failed.

 

[Mark]

Put it like this, he's a one dimensional runner that doesn't use his skill well enough because of lack of intelligence on the pitch hence why he looks more like Odonkor than Messi most of the time.

 

[Osman]

Lack of intelligence is very apt, not much more to say. But lack of skill is wrong.

 

[Fred]

I'm on the Osman-Alen camp on this one, the guy is obviously talented, i wouldn't say he has a mean shot though, he always seems to sky his shots. But he does have undoubted technique, his close ball control and dribbling is impressive. We were interested in him as Alen said, but i don't think he'd be good enough for us, as he is not able to play on the wing. Would have been a decent short term solution though.

 

[Alen]

Yes, , wrong thread.

 

[The Curr]

Just realised that. I saw the [ITA] and assumed it was the Serie A thread

 

[Mark]

:xfinger:

 

[Elvin]

Our only hope for silverware this season?

 

[Stephan]

Inter will take it.