Israeli-Palestinian conflict (83 Viewers)
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I know this is controversial and saying it to muslims can cause a lot of outrage, but your prophet really was a shit person in so many ways.
Yes it was a different time and different customs, but problem is when muslims in the 21st century see this guy as the epitome of mankind and think he was the perfect human being, when he infact was a pedofile and shit person through and through. Islam has a fundamental problem for thinking such a guy was the best thing to ever grace the Earth.
The big majority of muslims are very kind and friendly people, but islam as a religion needs a total reform to it’s core, its the 21st century after all. Problem is its supposed to be the word of God, so how do you change that, muslims probably wont allow/agree to it.
Yes it was a different time and different customs, but problem is when muslims in the 21st century see this guy as the epitome of mankind and think he was the perfect human being, when he infact was a pedofile and shit person through and through. Islam has a fundamental problem for thinking such a guy was the best thing to ever grace the Earth.
The big majority of muslims are very kind and friendly people, but islam as a religion needs a total reform to it’s core, its the 21st century after all. Problem is its supposed to be the word of God, so how do you change that, muslims probably wont allow/agree to it.
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There is an argument there.
How are we arriving at those numbers? What sources? Since when all of them are civilians? What's the teal ratio between combatants and civilians killed?
Building an argument on numbers from one side of the conflict, with proven record of falsifying those is problematic to say the least.
Israel claim a ratio of 3:1. If true its far from unheard of, more so in the context of gaza. Sure it can and should be disputed, but I cant accept as a basis for an argument a blind acceptance of numbers from one side and auto dismissal of the numbers from the other. This is coming again to the point of using "facts" to serve a narrative. And it could be right and im wrong, but its not a foregone conclusion.
I also understand the use of the word avenge but it not purely that. Israel government vow to the public was elimination of hamas and return of the hosteges, this is the course of action they are taking, we can disagree if its the right way but revenge is a part of it not the whole.
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We are at an impasse I guess, it is what it is.
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The question itself show you have no need in an honest conversation. I wont dignify that with an answer
How are we arriving at those numbers? What sources? Since when all of them are civilians? What's the teal ratio between combatants and civilians killed?
Building an argument on numbers from one side of the conflict, with proven record of falsifying those is problematic to say the least.
Israel claim a ratio of 3:1. If true its far from unheard of, more so in the context of gaza. Sure it can and should be disputed, but I cant accept as a basis for an argument a blind acceptance of numbers from one side and auto dismissal of the numbers from the other. This is coming again to the point of using "facts" to serve a narrative. And it could be right and im wrong, but its not a foregone conclusion.
I also understand the use of the word avenge but it not purely that. Israel government vow to the public was elimination of hamas and return of the hosteges, this is the course of action they are taking, we can disagree if its the right way but revenge is a part of it not the whole.
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We are at an impasse I guess, it is what it is.
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The question itself show you have no need in an honest conversation. I wont dignify that with an answer
Probably not because he is a sociopath. But I can say that in good faith of the army, in the context of a conflict.
I know how it operates and what type of people are calling the shots, it's not bibi.
Are there war crimes being done? 100%, are civilians being killed in mass just for effect? Absolutely not.
I know for a fact action and airstrikes have been called off due to civilians.
In an army context, as cold as it sounds, civilian lives gets a numerical value, it called NCV, there is a method to calculate the value of a target compared to the expected value of civilian lives lost. Can we disagree what those value should be? Of course, we probably do, but every action is considered trough that prism and passes a threshold.
Does this prove the we value human life as we should? Not at all, but it does say we do assign it some value. Otherwise gaza would be flat by now.
I know how it operates and what type of people are calling the shots, it's not bibi.
Are there war crimes being done? 100%, are civilians being killed in mass just for effect? Absolutely not.
I know for a fact action and airstrikes have been called off due to civilians.
In an army context, as cold as it sounds, civilian lives gets a numerical value, it called NCV, there is a method to calculate the value of a target compared to the expected value of civilian lives lost. Can we disagree what those value should be? Of course, we probably do, but every action is considered trough that prism and passes a threshold.
Does this prove the we value human life as we should? Not at all, but it does say we do assign it some value. Otherwise gaza would be flat by now.
Well, I do not think of Israeli citizens and soldiers as any worse or any better than most people around the world.
I'm glad you highlight that Israeli soldiers do value human life and that within the army actions that would cause unnecessary loss of life do not go unopposed.
But if I'm honest, I expected that.
Very few people are so devoid of empathy that they slaughter without remorse.
My gripe is much more with the government of Israel. Apart from their decisions, there is also their discourse. They escalate this war every chance they get. The way they speak of Palestinians does very much imply they see them as subhuman.
And the longer this goes on, the more their discourse seeps into the mind of otherwise normal people.
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I'm glad you highlight that Israeli soldiers do value human life and that within the army actions that would cause unnecessary loss of life do not go unopposed.
But if I'm honest, I expected that.
Very few people are so devoid of empathy that they slaughter without remorse.
My gripe is much more with the government of Israel. Apart from their decisions, there is also their discourse. They escalate this war every chance they get. The way they speak of Palestinians does very much imply they see them as subhuman.
And the longer this goes on, the more their discourse seeps into the mind of otherwise normal people.
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Then how do you explain the exploding devices all over the place? They could have exploded in a busy market or someone's apartment where it was only that Hezbollah dunce amongst all sorts of Lebanese civilians.
And another question is - if IDF/Mossad is so amazing where they know where every single terrorist is at any given second, then how did hundreds of Hamas cross into IDF territory to conduct the raid last October?
You guys like to act like you make a lot of sense. But then you fucking dont.
And another question is - if IDF/Mossad is so amazing where they know where every single terrorist is at any given second, then how did hundreds of Hamas cross into IDF territory to conduct the raid last October?
You guys like to act like you make a lot of sense. But then you fucking dont.
Very interesting interviews.
First one by CBS and the second one by The Daily Show.
Both lead interviewers are American Jews. A question to the Americans. Do you think this will sway the media to be at least more partial?
First one by CBS and the second one by The Daily Show.
Both lead interviewers are American Jews. A question to the Americans. Do you think this will sway the media to be at least more partial?
This visual moment should be the turning point for the entire world, to shift, rally and rage against televised blatant genocide.
But no, instead we will keep letting happening, dehumanising and ableing it by calling murdering literally Palestinian or lebanese toddlers as "young ladies:
https://x.com/AdameMedia/status/1845526615742095428?t=pvfdXLNaeuBGE5jcPI8Eug&s=19
And Israeli soldiers dying in action highlighted as teenagers or girls, while litterally bombing schools and killing litteral children, shooting them in the head and mentionning it as just mere numerical insignificant footnote IN THE SAME HEADLINE.
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