Israeli-Palestinian conflict (98 Viewers)

[AFL_ITALIA]

Much calmer, our side is stabilised and cleared. Haven't been any engagements on our side since wendsday.
Still getting shelled sporadically but nothing too bothersome.

My unit have 2 days of rest now in one of the settlements that got hit hard and then we will go back down to the fence. I don't expect the next week to be very hot, calm before the storm situation.

Few people died in the North from hizzbulla rocket attackes so I hope there won't be a second front too soon.

I expect to be drafted for a few months, this will not be quickly over.

I'd have to think the US fleet mobilized to the area would be a huge deterrent for this, since we obviously have no qualms about bombing that region of the world at all.

There’s some news now that this wasn’t an Israeli air strike, but was instead a Hamas VBIED. Of course, this could be Israeli propaganda, but it also wouldn’t surprise me at all if Hamas had booby-trapped the evacuation roads.

We'll see. I don't think much will be learned about what has really been happening for a while now.

This is why israel gets so much hate. It's really amazing the hold they have on western politicians, and really all kinds of institutions in the west.

AIPAC and all organizations like it should absolutely be made illegal.

Arabs have 20+ independent states. Palestinians can fuck right off to one of them. Forza Israel!

Makes sense now that you're a big fan of Turkey.

 

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[Post Ironic]

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-g...ontinued: "In Kfar Aza,back, burnt to death…"

But but but… freedom fighters!

 

[Hist]

She's an idiot who craves attention and not part of the governing party in the UK.

People these days put far too much emphasis on what individuals are saying as though it is the view of that country as a whole.

She’s labour and was a prominent figure too (in multiple shadow cabinets) not an unknown backbencher. Labour are typically the less hawkish and more humanist side of British politics. So she does speak to more than herself as an individual. You should hear what De Santis had to say (much worse).

The sad part in her case is that she knows. She doesn’t believe what she’s saying and it shows. This is how people lose faith in politics and the system. It’s not when politicians get something wrong unintentionally it’s when they know what they’re doing

 

[Seven]

This is why israel gets so much hate. It's really amazing the hold they have on western politicians, and really all kinds of institutions in the west.

It's sort of ironic that a lot of people disliked Jews in the past, because they supposedly had too much of a hold on important institutions in society and Israel has now been 'influencing' western politicians and media for decades.

Also ironic that Israeli politicians completely dehumanize Palestinians at the moment. I mean, damn, given the historic context that is pretty remarkable.

 

[U Picciriddu]

It's sort of ironic that a lot of people disliked Jews in the past, because they supposedly had too much of a hold on important institutions in society and Israel has now been 'influencing' western politicians and media for decades.

That was due to Jews not being limited by their religion in paying or receiving interest rates over loaned money unlike Christians and Muslims (in the past), whenever the West loaned money the odds were very high that it came from a Jewish institution

 

[BayernFan]

Looks like the German build up for the invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941....

 

[Tomice]

Cutting Gaza from electricity and water isn't nice, but it is our electricity and water we are cutting off.

Perssonally I think it does more harm then good (cutting water, not electricity) but our politicians are populist like everywhere else and it's a hard sell atm.

The PA pays for most of it btw cause 80% of Hamas budget goes into it's armed wing with no regard to gazan's necessities.

No one stopping Egypt from suppling them with whatever they want, but they don't. I don't see anyone talk about the Egyptian siege.

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P.s we returned the water supply to the south of Gaza. As an incentive to evacuate the North I presume

 

[Seven]

Looks like the German build up for the invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941....

Which was a tremendous success.

Right?

 

[Elvin]

I'd have to think the US fleet mobilized to the area would be a huge deterrent for this, since we obviously have no qualms about bombing that region of the world at all.


We'll see. I don't think much will be learned about what has really been happening for a while now.


AIPAC and all organizations like it should absolutely be made illegal.


Makes sense now that you're a big fan of Turkey.

I'm not a fan of Türkiye, I am a Turk (Turkic) myself.

 

[BayernFan]

Which was a tremendous success.

Right?

Initially it actually was a massive success, and Hitler's "We just have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down", wasn't that far fetched. Whole Soviet armies were disintegrating and collapsing under German pincers, the Germans took in the range of 3 mio Soviet pows.

Problem comes when you haven't planned for a long scale war, you have insufficient amounts of oil, you have in the range of 2000+ different vehicles because you looted the French and others for trucks. A lot of your army is not fully motorized, which means a lot of your artillery is horse drawn. Then your intelligence has failed completely in estimating the enemies reserves in manpower and armour. All these things combined with multiple others and you have a recipe for disaster.

Anyway, my point with the Israeli build up was that they'll for sure destroy Hamas and their capability to wage any kind of war in the foreseeable future. Problem here is they won't win any peace as they're most likely gonna level Gaza to the ground and bring it back to the stone age.

Imo you can't blame the Israelies for wanting to get rid of Hamas, but the way they're gonna do it will not serve anything good in the long term I'm afraid...

 

[BlanquiNegro]

Arabs have 20+ independent states. Palestinians can fuck right off to one of them. Forza Israel!

when PALESTINE becomes your mothers ranch then you can granted it to whomever you want
and one more thing
PALESTINE is an Arabic state, was and will always be
whether you like it or not

 

[BayernFan]

 

[swag]

FWIW, anybody who makes a historical claim to land is kidding themselves. Humans have migrated around the planet for millennia. And every piece of land you can stand on today has been and will be underwater in the past and in the future.

This goes for Israelis, Palestinians, Kashmiris, everybody.

 

[Nzoric]

FWIW, anybody who makes a historical claim to land is kidding themselves. Humans have migrated around the planet for millennia. And every piece of land you can stand on today has been and will be underwater in the past and in the future.

This goes for Israelis, Palestinians, Kashmiris, everybody.

Case in point of over reducing arguments to the point where they become silly.


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[U Picciriddu]

FWIW, anybody who makes a historical claim to land is kidding themselves. Humans have migrated around the planet for millennia. And every piece of land you can stand on today has been and will be underwater in the past and in the future.

This goes for Israelis, Palestinians, Kashmiris, everybody.

It’s also way more complex than just a historic claim

 

[swag]

It’s also way more complex than just a historic claim

Agreed. But using "we were here first" as a foundation is shallow and empty. Humans are remarkably nomadic.

That doesn't mean people shouldn't have a right for where their culture should live. It just means the historical argument is a red herring.

 

[Mohad]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-year-old-muslim-boy-mother-murder-hate-crime

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

I'm not a fan of Türkiye, I am a Turk (Turkic) myself.

Even worse/better.

 

[U Picciriddu]

Agreed. But using "we were here first" as a foundation is shallow and empty. Humans are remarkably nomadic.

That doesn't mean people shouldn't have a right for where their culture should live. It just means the historical argument is a red herring.

I agree, the historic claim in that sense would almost mean that we’d have to use dna tests at a individual level in order to understand if people are from that region historically and on the base of that have a righteous claim.

The conflict pre-dates the Second World War as many forget, it’s very complex and I don’t think it even makes a lot of sense looking to it purely from a historic perspective.

 

[swag]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-year-old-muslim-boy-mother-murder-hate-crime

Just wait until the Mexicans look close enough for some rednecks...

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