Israeli-Palestinian conflict (28 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

  • Yes

  • No


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Juliano13

Senior Member
May 6, 2012
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You've just stated you unequivocally support the policies of the Israeli government that lead to atrocities and crimes. You've stated you want others held to the same moral standards as Israel but have no problem with the Israeli government treating Palestinian terrorists to a Medieval version of justice, while trying Israeli terrorists in civil courts and slapping them on wrist. Yes. You support the crimes the state of Israel commits daily.
quote that
and what medieval version of justice and what slap on the wrist. do you even try to understand when you read? it might help you if you re-read the parts you don't get.
 

Juliano13

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May 6, 2012
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Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
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quote that
and what medieval version of justice and what slap on the wrist. do you even try to understand when you read? it might help you if you re-read the parts you don't get.
Right here...

This is what happens to Jewish terrorists:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-detention-arson-attack-palestinian-west-bank

And this is what happens to Palestinian terrorists:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/jerusalem-violence-why-does-israel-bulldoze-homes-terrorists-1522716

Yes, let's bulldoze the home of a family, because one member is a terrorist. That's modern justice for sure. :rolleyes:
 

Juliano13

Senior Member
May 6, 2012
5,017
Right here...

This is what happens to Jewish terrorists:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-detention-arson-attack-palestinian-west-bank

And this is what happens to Palestinian terrorists:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/jerusalem-violence-why-does-israel-bulldoze-homes-terrorists-1522716

Yes, let's bulldoze the home of a family, because one member is a terrorist. That's modern justice for sure. :rolleyes:
quote that was referring to the bold part.

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You've been at it all over the forums. No work today?
No :) What can be more fun than a good argument?
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
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And when anyone speaks up about Israeli atrocities... They get called anti-semites, and basically told they are unwelcome in Israel.

https://www.rt.com/news/328900-israel-sweden-wallstrom-ban/

All for asking for a thorough investigation into alleged extrajudicial executions by Israeli military forces.

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quote that was referring to the bold part.

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No :) What can be more fun than a good argument?

You just told me the Israeli government doesn't treat Palestinian terrorists differently than Israeli terrorists. I just showed you, they clearly do.

And:

I will. All I want is Israel to be judged by the same moral standards as everybody else.
You said you will defend those policies. Right here.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,443
You are a clearly a fanatic, but since I have time..

By your logic you are personally responsible for this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_kidnapping_and_murder_of_Israeli_teenagers

What will be your punishment for this? And for the thousands killed in suicide bombings by jihadists and Palestinian nationalists.
No, I'm not, because I disagree with that behaviour. You do not. You condone atrocities. That makes you responsible. It also makes you a bit of a cunt.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
You are a clearly a fanatic, but since I have time..

By your logic you are personally responsible for this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_kidnapping_and_murder_of_Israeli_teenagers

What will be your punishment for this? And for the thousands killed in suicide bombings by jihadists and Palestinian nationalists.
And what will be your punishment for the vast number more civilians killed by the Israeli defense Forces in the West Bank and Gaza. 2014 conflict as one brief example. 66 Israeli soldiers and 6 Israeli Civilians.... 2251 dead Palestinians, ~1500 civilians.

Very commensurate there. :rolleyes:
 

Juliano13

Senior Member
May 6, 2012
5,017
Quote where I stated unequivocally that I support the policies of the Israeli government that lead to atrocities and crimes. I'm asking for the third time and you won't be able to answer again because I never did. In fact, I stated the exact opposite.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-detention-arson-attack-palestinian-west-bank

This article you linked, you just read the title didn't you. A little exercise in reading comprehension would be to show how this actually contradicts your position (which was that Israel's punishment for Jewish terrorists is a slap on wrist and I support it).

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The biggest friend for israel no one can deny it
USA? Nobody denies that.

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Too true. Happy trolling!
If anyone is trolling its you, because you very well know I'm not trolling :)

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No, I'm not, because I disagree with that behaviour. You do not. You condone atrocities. That makes you responsible. It also makes you a bit of a cunt.
I don't condone atrocities, I don't know where you get that. I make a distinction between civilians killed deliberately and collateral casualties, which are a result of Hamas terrorists hiding among the civilians, a war crime under the Geneva convention. I will say this, though: I don't shed even one tear when islamofascists like yourself get killed.

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And what will be your punishment for the vast number more civilians killed by the Israeli defense Forces in the West Bank and Gaza. 2014 conflict as one brief example. 66 Israeli soldiers and 6 Israeli Civilians.... 2251 dead Palestinians, ~1500 civilians.

Very commensurate there. :rolleyes:
I'll answer that: nothing. Because I haven't killed anyone and because there is no afterlife.
Your and Seven's turn now.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Quote where I stated unequivocally that I support the policies of the Israeli government that lead to atrocities and crimes. I'm asking for the third time and you won't be able to answer again because I never did. In fact, I stated the exact opposite.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-detention-arson-attack-palestinian-west-bank

This article you linked, you just read the title didn't you. A little exercise in reading comprehension would be to show how this actually contradicts your position (which was that Israel's punishment for Jewish terrorists is a slap on wrist and I support it).
I read the article. The point is that this has been happening to Palestinians for years, alongside their houses being bulldozed... Whereas this is basically the first time this has ever happened to Israeli perpetrators of terrorism, as alluded to in the article. Aside from the fact, we'll see what actually comes of this, as in the past, sentences have been rather light, and pardons frequent.
The Jewish Underground

In June 1980, a Jewish terrorist group known as The Jewish Underground carried out a series of bomb attacks against three Palestinian mayors from the West Bank, who narrowly escaped death but sustained serious injuries.

In 1983, two members of the Jewish Underground entered the Islamic College of Hebron and opened fire on students and tossed a grenade, murdering three students and wounding 33 others. The group had also plotted to bomb the al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.

In April 1984, the Shin Bet arrested a number of Jewish Underground members who were caught planting bombs under six Palestinian owned buses in Jerusalem.

Three members of the group were finally sentenced to life imprisonment for their role in the attacks. However, the three served less than seven years in prison and were released after the President of Israel at the time, Chaim Herzog granted them pardon.

The TNT or Terror Against Terror group carried out shooting attack against a bus full of Palestinians and a over a dozen grenade attacks against Palestinian churches and mosques in early 1984.

Three members of the TNT group were arrested for the attacks and only sentenced for six years in prison.

As if that ever happens for Palestinians accused and convicted of terrorism by Israel. :lol:

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FFS there are streets all over Israel named for Jewish terrorists.
 

Juliano13

Senior Member
May 6, 2012
5,017
I read the article. The point is that this has been happening to Palestinians for years, alongside their houses being bulldozed... Whereas this is basically the first time this has ever happened to Israeli perpetrators of terrorism, as alluded to in the article. Aside from the fact, we'll see what actually comes of this, as in the past, sentences have been rather light, and pardons frequent.
The Jewish Underground

In June 1980, a Jewish terrorist group known as The Jewish Underground carried out a series of bomb attacks against three Palestinian mayors from the West Bank, who narrowly escaped death but sustained serious injuries.

In 1983, two members of the Jewish Underground entered the Islamic College of Hebron and opened fire on students and tossed a grenade, murdering three students and wounding 33 others. The group had also plotted to bomb the al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.

In April 1984, the Shin Bet arrested a number of Jewish Underground members who were caught planting bombs under six Palestinian owned buses in Jerusalem.

Three members of the group were finally sentenced to life imprisonment for their role in the attacks. However, the three served less than seven years in prison and were released after the President of Israel at the time, Chaim Herzog granted them pardon.

The TNT or Terror Against Terror group carried out shooting attack against a bus full of Palestinians and a over a dozen grenade attacks against Palestinian churches and mosques in early 1984.

Three members of the TNT group were arrested for the attacks and only sentenced for six years in prison.

As if that ever happens for Palestinians accused and convicted of terrorism by Israel. :lol:

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FFS there are streets all over Israel named for Jewish terrorists.
I don't have time now to check these examples, but I'll assume you are right. I condemn that as much as you do, the difference is that overall the Israeli government is trying to minimize civilian casualties on both sides and are trying to stop the Jewish terrorists. On the other side you have Hamas. There is no comparison.

And if you wanted a good example of Israeli war criminals getting the pass, Ariel Sharon should always be the first one.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
I don't have time now to check these examples, but I'll assume you are right. I condemn that as much as you do, the difference is that overall the Israeli government is trying to minimize civilian casualties on both sides and are trying to stop the Jewish terrorists. On the other side you have Hamas. There is no comparison.

And if you wanted a good example of Israeli war criminals getting the pass, Ariel Sharon should always be the first one.
I don't really want to continue this argument. I think you're wrong when you say Israel is held to a stricter moral code than other countries. It certainly isn't by me. I condemn my own country for failing to uphold treaty obligations with the first nations, for interning the Japanese during WW2, amongst other things.

I don't think Israel should be attacked for everything it does, but I certainly do think the Settlements, and the extremism that follows them from both sides are criminal. That's my opinion. I think they are morally reprehensible and indefensible. As is the policy of bulldozing homes of terrorists.

Regardless. I don't believe in collective punishment, just like you. It was just silly question I asked then. I don't believe in an afterlife either, nor in religious governance. I still think the crimes of the Israeli state need to be condemned, just as Israel condemns (and retaliates for) crimes of the Palestinian state.
 

Nzoric

Grazie Mirko
Jan 16, 2011
37,882
I cant believe post ironic actually went through the trouble. What that guy is spewing is pure horseshit - anti semitism is an ideological position of discriminating against jews, the fact that having a criticial stance towards proceedings that clearly violate international law is perceived as anti semitism just underlines how terrible the settlements and israeli occupation is. How messed up is you if you feel that both general assembly and security council resolutions resting on the declaration of human rights are anti semitic
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
I cant believe post ironic actually went through the trouble. What that guy is spewing is pure horseshit - anti semitism is an ideological position of discriminating against jews, the fact that having a criticial stance towards proceedings that clearly violate international law is perceived as anti semitism just underlines how terrible the settlements and israeli occupation is. How messed up is you if you feel that both general assembly and security council resolutions resting on the declaration of human rights are anti semitic
 

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