Israeli-Palestinian conflict (75 Viewers)

[Turk_Bianconero]

After the Balkan Wars, approximately 1.5 million Turks/Muslims died. Do people talk about them? No. Then why should another group of people keep getting special mention? Maybe because someone is still dreaming about getting land as compensation. Waiting for an apology from today's Turks for acts of the group came to power after the coup d'etat which were more Jew-Mason than Islamic is not realistic.

 

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[Vinny Del Pogba]

for acts of the group came to power after the coup d'etat which is more Jew-Mason than Islamic is not realistic.

 

[Nzoric]

After the Balkan Wars, approximately 1.5 million Turks/Muslims died. Do people talk about them? No. Then why should another group of people keep getting special mention? Maybe because someone is still dreaming about getting land as compensation. Waiting for an apology from today's Turks for acts of the group came to power after the coup d'etat which were more Jew-Mason than Islamic is not realistic.

There have been so many, could you be more specific?

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

There have been so many, could you be more specific?

The one known as Balkan Wars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Wars

 

[Nzoric]

Oh, just like that.

Do you have a source for your claim that 1.5 million muslims died in 1913 ?

 

[Vinny Del Pogba]

Before world war one there were two "Balkan Wars." I don't remember hearing about 1.5 million Turks perishing in either of them or both combined for that matter. Is there any source on that?

 

[Goodfella]

Are we talking about 1.5 mil Turk troops or civilians?

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

How many Turks are living there now?

Are we talking about 1.5 mil Turk troops or civilians?

civilians

Some killed by gangs, others on the road because of starvation and ilness like most of the Armenians died in 1915.

 

[Nzoric]

Are we talking about 1.5 mil Turk troops or civilians?

That's what I want to know aswell. Excluding Albania, I don't think there were 1.5 mil muslims in the Balkans in 1913. Talking out of my ass here, but there was a bit of a muslim exodus from Serbia and Bulgaria after the Christian community gained independence and Turkish troops retreated.

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How many Turks are living there now?

How many Turks left from 1850-1878 ?

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

How many Turks left from 1850-1878 ?

Why did they left in first place? Maybe because of getting killed by gangs day and night.

 

[Vinny Del Pogba]

Are we talking about 1.5 mil Turk troops or civilians?

I'm assuming he means Turks living in the Balkan area during the first balkan war. They lost a lot of land and by the end of the second war and their European border was pretty much what it is now. But I have never heard of any massacre of Turks in the Balkans on that level. I'll see what I can dig up, tho.

 

[Nzoric]

Why did they left in first place? Maybe because of getting killed by gangs day and night.

I won't go through what happened during the 400 years of Ottoman rule in the Balkans, but I can assure you that the period was not marked by Muslims getting killed day and night.

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I'm assuming he means Turks living in the Balkan area during the first balkan war. They lost a lot of land and by the end of the second war and their European border was pretty much what it is now. But I have never heard of any massacre of Turks in the Balkans on that level. I'll see what I can dig up, tho.

That's because it's a crock of shite. He doesn't have a source because it's some number he's invented to justify the Armenian genocide. There were not many Turks in the Balkans at all, especially not after the nationalistic movements in the 19th century where Turkish forces consolidated in Bosnia (funny enough, a large Muslim population there).

 

[Vinny Del Pogba]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Albanians_in_the_Balkan_Wars

This says over 100k Albanians were massacred by Serbs & Montenegrins after the Turkish military was ejected from Albania and Kosovo. But it's a far cry from 1.5 million.

 

[Nzoric]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Albanians_in_the_Balkan_Wars

This says over 100k Albanians were massacred by Serbs & Montenegrins after the Turkish military was ejected from Albania and Kosovo. But it's a far cry from 1.5 million.

That sounds about right, my bachelor project was focused on some 60 years before this so all the timeline in my books end as the 20th century starts - shame. Would like to check this out.

edit: And again, Turk is mixing things that should not be mixed. Albanians were Muslims, but they could certainly not be classified as Turks in any way. His sentence of "Muslims/Turks" is hilarious, really . But I guess he's succeeded insofar as we're now talking about what happened to Muslims in the Balkan Wars and completely abandoned the theme - the proved genocide of Armenian civilians that Turkey are unwilling to acknowledge.

 

[Vinny Del Pogba]

The Albanians are their own nationality, the ones that became Muslim did so mostly because it gave them huge advantages within the Ottoman state that they were occupied by. The Turks didn't import Turkish settlers on any great scale that I am aware of.

I still want to know more about this Jewish - Masonic conspiracy which brought the Young Turks to power and toppled the "Sick Man of Europe."

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

edit: And again, Turk is mixing things that should not be mixed. Albanians were Muslims, but they could certainly not be classified as Turks in any way. His sentence of "Muslims/Turks" is hilarious, really . But I guess he's succeeded insofar as we're now talking about what happened to Muslims in the Balkan Wars and completely abandoned the theme - the proved genocide of Armenian civilians that Turkey are unwilling to acknowledge.

I meant Muslims and Turks. No matter how deep you dig you can't find a mention mostly because they were Muslims. So it's ok like millions getting killed in Islam lands and it's not a big fuss.

 

[Nzoric]

Now if you could only show the same kind of rational thinking when it comes to Israel/Palestine we might just hit it off

 

[Vinny Del Pogba]

I meant Muslims and Turks. No matter how deep you dig you can't find a mention mostly because they were Muslims. So it's ok like millions getting killed in Islam lands and it's not a big fuss.

The massacres of the Albanians was reported at the time by American, British and I think French sources. I really doubt there is any conspiracy to fudge the numbers because they were Muslims. I think it more likely that Muslims inflate the numbers because the victims were Muslims. No offense intended.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

The Albanians are their own nationality, the ones that became Muslim did so mostly because it gave them huge advantages within the Ottoman state that they were occupied by. The Turks didn't import Turkish settlers on any great scale that I am aware of.

I still want to know more about this Jewish - Masonic conspiracy which brought the Young Turks to power and toppled the "Sick Man of Europe."

It's a known fact key members of Ittihat Terakki were masons, and shaped their ideals in shadow of freemasonry.

 

[Vinny Del Pogba]

It's a known fact key members of Ittihat Terakki were masons, and shaped their ideals in shadow of freemasonry.

Interesting. I will check that out on my own.