Israeli-Palestinian conflict (28 Viewers)

[JCK]

Ofcourse it does. You can only read about death and starvation here, just think of people who live that day by day instead of reading it. You might need to raise your Panadol dose thinking of that.

I don't take pain killers.

 

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[JBF]

Good that you mentioned this.
Does anybody know what's the standard procedure in these cases? If Israel wants to check what's on the ship, where do they do it? In some Israeli port or right after they get to Israeli water? Or maybe before they get into Israeli waters?

On international water no country have such a right. The israeli forces could have done their inspection in whatever way they wanted had this been close to the occupied land but that wasn't the case so they not only violated international law by inspecting the ship, they committed murder on the top of that. But that won't stop their beloved idiots from twisting the facts anyway now.

 

[Alen]

Can I ask also for a list of the countries that are allowed to check the ships and planes in their route to and from other countries.

I'm trying to figure out what exactly happened prior to the killings and if Israel has a loophole here.

Forget that it's Israel. Can a country stop a ship from entering into its waters before checking the ship? If yes, then where does this checking take place?

I want to know if the presence of Israeli soldiers on that ship, while being in international waters, is completely illegal.
If it is, then I see no logic in what Roman said because even if the soldiers were attacked, the question is what the fuck were these soldiers doing on the ship at all?
But if their presence on the ship was by the laws, then these soldiers being attacked will give a very nice loophole to the Israelis.

 

[Roman]

Alen,you can check it,but as far as i know it was Israel's waters...

 

[tibike]

I'm trying to figure out what exactly happened prior to the killings and if Israel has a loophole here.

Forget that it's Israel. Can a country stop a ship from entering into its waters before checking the ship? If yes, then where does this checking take place?

I want to know if the presence of Israeli soldiers on that ship, while being in international waters, is completely illegal.
If it is, then I see no logic in what Roman said because even if the soldiers were attacked, the question is what the fuck were these soldiers doing on the ship at all?
But if their presence on the ship was by the laws, then these soldiers being attacked will give a very nice loophole to the Israelis.

They sure can stop a ship from entering it's waters, for any reason they please. But at the same time, I think they have no right to check the ship in international waters, as that is outside of their jurisdiction. Therefore, I think, if they want to check the ship, they must do it either in their own waters, unless both the police/military and the ship captain agree, that it can be done outside.

The thing is, if they could check the ship in international waters, how can one determine how far from the border can they do so, and wouldn't that be against the whole point of international waters?

 

[JBF]

It doesn't need to be Irish, Greek and Swedish people carrying grenades to call it a self defense.

Most of the information about what happened on the single ship where violence broke out came from Israel, which cut off all communication to and from the activists and provided testimony and video evidence that its soldiers came under attack by activists armed with metal rods, knives, slingshots and two pistols snatched from the troops.

The military said naval commandos descending from a helicopter onto the deck of a Turkish-flagged ship were assaulted by armed activists. Military footage showed activists swarming around the commandos as they rappelled from a helicopter one by one, hitting them with sticks until they fell to the deck, throwing one off the ship and hurling what the military said was a firebomb.

Not that I'm buying what they say but I see no point in attacking an aid ship with no reason on the other hand either.

There's a point actually, they had a list of some activists who took part in such aid campains and had a record of supporting th Palestinian cause both outside and inside Palestine before. FFS, they were looking for one of their most wanted Israeli-passport-carrier Raed Saleh the one who represented palestinians living inside of israel for quite sometime and had a record of giving interviews and lectures on the truth of discrimination and murder that go day by day with the occupation.

They wanted those dead and they got what they asked for obviously.

 

[ReBeL]

Fabricated?
you just don't know me at all,so why talk this way?
i would not lie and would not go make some movies to show who?few guys on the internet?
i have better things to do in my life.

Good for you.

About every country in the world?

In the international water?

So, we are living in the world of Pirates.

 

[Bjerknes]

Notice how they sent in heavily-armored and equipped Navy-SEAL-like commandos. They were not typical Coast Guard, they were tactical fucking units going into what they "thought" was a hostile vessel.

That is the dead giveaway, but hey, tards will give Israel the benefit of the doubt. They always do. They slaughter kids in Gaza and folks say "give them the benefit of the doubt."

 

[tibike]

Good for you.



In the international water?

So, we are living in the world of Pirates.

Not in the international waters, of course. But every country has the right to control anything and anyone that comes out of or comes into their country and restrict it as they please. But as far as trains, cars and planes go, this happens inside the country. Ships, I'm not sure, but I think it's the same.

 

[Bjerknes]

It was a fucking tactical unit, tbike. Not an armed inspection unit. They were going in for blood.

 

[ReBeL]

Ra'ed Saleh is alive, have you heard?

Yes, Thanks God.

It doesn't need to be Irish, Greek and Swedish people carrying grenades to call it a self defense.

Most of the information about what happened on the single ship where violence broke out came from Israel, which cut off all communication to and from the activists and provided testimony and video evidence that its soldiers came under attack by activists armed with metal rods, knives, slingshots and two pistols snatched from the troops.

The military said naval commandos descending from a helicopter onto the deck of a Turkish-flagged ship were assaulted by armed activists. Military footage showed activists swarming around the commandos as they rappelled from a helicopter one by one, hitting them with sticks until they fell to the deck, throwing one off the ship and hurling what the military said was a firebomb.

Not that I'm buying what they say but I see no point in attacking an aid ship with no reason on the other hand either.

Ok. Read their viewpoint and believe the most logical thing.

 

[Roman]

Good for you.

Yeah,i know.
you should try too,it's much healthier.

 

[tibike]

Notice how they sent in heavily-armored and equipped Navy-SEAL-like commandos. They were not typical Coast Guard, they were tactical fucking units going into what they "thought" was a hostile vessel.

That is the dead giveaway, but hey, tards will give Israel the benefit of the doubt. They always do. They slaughter kids in Gaza and folks say "give them the benefit of the doubt."

The only reason why I would be (I am not) willing to give Israel the benefit of the doubt is that if you compare it to their other military actions, with which they had their bases covered (a.k.a. the "they're terrorists" argument), this one is a brain fart that just doesn't look like Israel.

That being said, Israel definitely crossed the line here, and I am interested to see, how NATO will react to the fact, that civillian ships of NATO members were attacked in international waters.

 

[tibike]

It was a fucking tactical unit, tbike. Not an armed inspection unit. They were going in for blood.

I know, I was reacting more to the general concept of inspecting ships.

 

[Sadomin]

I'm trying to figure out what exactly happened prior to the killings and if Israel has a loophole here.

Forget that it's Israel. Can a country stop a ship from entering into its waters before checking the ship? If yes, then where does this checking take place?

I want to know if the presence of Israeli soldiers on that ship, while being in international waters, is completely illegal.
If it is, then I see no logic in what Roman said because even if the soldiers were attacked, the question is what the fuck were these soldiers doing on the ship at all?
But if their presence on the ship was by the laws, then these soldiers being attacked will give a very nice loophole to the Israelis.

Respected Swedish professor in International Law, Ove Bring:

- If the reports are correct, this is against international law and is illegal.

- In times of peace, no country has the right to board ships on international waters nor the right to redirect them or arrest the passengers.

- If the ships were in Israeli territory, the IDF would have been allowed to stop them, send them away, escort them to a port or even searched them for weapons. Even then, they would have to be careful of military actions.

- However, if there had been a real war [which this conflict isn't classified as], Israel would have had the right to block ships heading towards Gaza, even in international waters.

 

[Bjerknes]

The argument I've seen from the Israeli apologists is that Israel had a right to board and destroy the ships because they have a tactical blockade of Gaza on-going.

Okay, but a blockade against non-combatants is still illegal.

So what the fuck is going on here? Israel can not only break Geneva Conventions, but also destroy vessels under their illegal blockade?

This shit is just so dumb. There is no stopping these criminals.

 

[JBF]

Notice how they sent in heavily-armored and equipped Navy-SEAL-like commandos. They were not typical Coast Guard, they were tactical fucking units going into what they "thought" was a hostile vessel.

That is the dead giveaway, but hey, tards will give Israel the benefit of the doubt. They always do. They slaughter kids in Gaza and folks say "give them the benefit of the doubt."

Yea, those zionists have always proved they were innocent even when a jew south african judge took over the Gaza war-crimes investigation, they called him anti-semitic in the press

Yeah,i know.
you should try too,it's much healthier.

Well you certainly gave it a shot at first with that lengthy post, why bother from the first place then?

 

[king Ale]

Honestly, why the hell would you have a problem doing that? Is it that much of non clear picture Hoori? You're the one who always lectures about human rights, freedom and most importantly the right to live. All those were violated here what are you waiting for really? Or is it just backward-reaction since the all famous Najad is compassionate to Palestinians so you just opted to take the other side..

Only because you support Ahmadinejad because of him being compassionate [] to the Palestinians doesn't mean I'm doing the same in the other way.

The only reason why I would be (I am not) willing to give Israel the benefit of the doubt is that if you compare it to their other military actions, with which they had their bases covered (a.k.a. the "they're terrorists" argument), this one is a brain fart that just doesn't look like Israel.

Exactly.

 

[Bjerknes]

Yea, those zionists have always proved they were innocent even when a jew-judge took over the Gaza war-crimes investigation, they called him anti-semetic in the press

Of course. That's all they have to stand upon.

 

[Alen]

Respected Swedish professor in International Law, Ove Bring:

- If the reports are correct, this is against international law and is illegal.

- In times of peace, no country has the right to board ships on international waters nor the right to redirect them or arrest the passengers.

- If the ships were in Israeli territory, the IDF would have been allowed to stop them, send them away, escort them to a port or even searched them for weapons. Even then, they would have to be careful of military actions.

- However, if there had been a real war [which this conflict isn't classified as], Israel would have had the right to block ships heading towards Gaza, even in international waters.

Thanks.

This leads me to Tibike's post and the brain fart he mentioned. It was indeed an atypical action, which imo has two possible scenarios behind it:
- This was a very well planned action with an intention to provoke something big in the future (you can even call this a conspiracy theory)
- The Israeli were simply defending themselves (this is rather weak because they can't explain wtf were they doing on the ship at all).

Some can mention a third option, which is: They don't even care what anyone else thinks and they simply do as they please, knowing that no-one can do anything to them at all.
I find this hard to believe too. If those were Palestinians we're talking about, I'd expect the Israelis to do as they please with them, but this was an aid ship with a NATO member flag on it and without a good reason (even a false one) to excuse them in the eyes of the world, I don't think they'd have done it.