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Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

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king Ale

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Yes. I remember once Seven said that tragedy happens when they don't even allow the people to move. This is really horrifying.

But won't Egypt risk its people's lives (hypothetically saying, I'm not sure at all) if they let food and medicine get past their borders?
 
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ReBeL

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Jan 14, 2005
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    Here are some info that are for Non-Palestinians who tried to fight for Palestine...

    The last Non-Palestinian guys that tried to enter into Israel were a group of guerillas in 25-11-1987. They used small planes like this one:



    They came from the Lebanese borders, and they met many horrible conditions on their way. Even two of them were lost before entering Israeli borders. The other guys that could reach Israel were Khaled Akar, a Syrian guy from Aleppo:



    And Melud Annajeh, a Tunisian:



    They were killed after extensive clashes with Israeli forces over Galilee.

    It is so hard for Non-Palestinians to get into individual risks like these.

    Before that, people from many parts of the world fought with Palestinians. I remember some Japanese guys that made an operation in Lydda airport in 70s, for example.
     
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    ReBeL

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    Yes. I remember once Seven said that tragedy happens when they don't even allow the people to move. This is really horrifying.

    But won't Egypt risk its people's lives (hypothetically saying, I'm not sure at all) if they let food and medicine get past their borders?
    Only the US aid to Egypt would be affected by such a step. U.S. Aid to Egypt totaled $28 Billion in three decades, which means it is not that huge amount of money that could be material to a country with huge natural resources like Egypt.

    The regime there is scared of another thing that is so much more important than the whole Egyptian people. If Mubarak doesn't satisfy USA and Israel, they may decide to replace him by another traitor who can do his job better, so he is making so "generous" steps to keep satisfying his masters in Washington and Tel Aviv. Also, he needs their support to complete transferring the presidency to his son, Jamal, on the opposite of his people's desire.

    In brief, the Egyptian people won't lose that much, but the dummy president surely will.
     
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    ReBeL

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    So it won't make any difference even if Mubarak breaks the wall down because they will replace him by anyone who would fulfill their wishes.
    That is what he is scared of. But if we go back to history, Jamal Abdennaser was not advocate to USA, but his people were so loyal to him and could be his main supporters during his reign. So, it is not always that USA can control the political stage in Egypt.
     

    Bisco

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    Nov 21, 2005
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    That is what he is scared of. But if we go back to history, Jamal Abdennaser was not advocate to USA, but his people were so loyal to him and could be his main supporters during his reign. So, it is not always that USA can control the political stage in Egypt.
    pretty close but thats not the entire thing rebel. off course they r worried to wake up one day and not be in ruling for several reasons that are extremely obvious and that is just not over here but in every single arab country. the situation here domestically is starting to shape up and we can say that come the next presidential elections ( if u just ignore other things and call it that) that either him or his son ( just like syria) will take rule of the country and they have there supporters there is no denying this.

    there is an increase in the financial aid given to egypt thanks to this step ( not the blocking of the convoy thats sth else i will explain ) i,e the wall to shut down the tunnels.

    the problem is hamas and hezbollah ( iran aside for now) have a totally different agenda than here. it seems we of all people forgot that we would never have peace had we not had a war first in 1973 to get back some of our dignity that was pretty much non existent after the 6 day war in 1967 followed by our land (sinai). yes violence on its own will never bring peace, nor will it ever give the palestinians there land back, nor will it allow the refuges to return back to there home land. with that said peace talks have been going on and on and on and there is nothing given to the palestinians and its just a waste of time. the conclusion is when u r on the weak side u can never set yr terms and stand up for your rights. to go in to peacce talks whether u agree or disagree with camp david requires both parties to be on par with one another. if u dont do either, like syria then u just live every single day and thats that golan hieghts have been occupied since 1973 and nothing moved on that front. so i think to have peace these two idea's should be hand in hand.

    this is also the main reason why iran and egypt never really got along ever since the late 70's. there are other minor reasons between the two but this is the head line. its also in my honest opinion a massive mistake that these two dont start some sort of conversation between them instead of going at one another using hamas and fata7. hezboallah follows the same rule too.

    now this is the key issue with egypt, we are making hamas pay a hefty price for defying our efforts to just have peace talks with out the palestinians at least standing up for them selves.

    i dont agree with blocking the convoys i think egypt should've had a very different approach. i understand there was an agreement between the convoy and the goverment here regarding there movements, but there can be an acception at least once it wont be the end of the world, and it will actually help improve the countries image after last year's wierd stand.


    regarding the peace treaty egypt and jordan have with isreal there are alot of points in this. i dont know about jordan, but i can talk about my own country which is egypt and yes i'm one of the people who thinks the peace agreement was the right move however i have to say we the egyptains did not make that much out of it, hence it lost its credibility and thats why this agreement in particular never gained popularity amongst the arabs in particular. that is not there fault but the goverments fault over here.

    lets compare what isreal gained and what we gained. isreal used the peace agreement and started developing in every single area of life. from there military status to there research facilities, eductation etc etc. while in egypt we just went from bad to worse bec the money we spent on the military pre war was now being taken into pockets of certain indiviuals. yes egypt is stacking weapons, and we still have compulsory military service but how about the other aspects of life did we gain or not?? the obvious answer is no, there is alot of corruption ( its more common between arab nations than the fact we speak the same language), very limited development when u compare between us and isreal putting in mind both nations had there shares of debts ( exclude the fact isreal pretty much had it a bit easier) but non the less thats the excuse being said here when such a question is asked, did egypt gain from having peace with isreal?

    i need to point out that the piece of land (sinai) egypt went to war to recapture is entirely desert apart from the resorts on the red sea. we toke it and just left it there with out trying to make sth out of it ( another mistake).


    as for gamal abedl nasser, its a totally different situation rebel. back then yes nasser defied the americans but he had the soviets to back hm up. he also had the arab world on his side, along with africa so he pretty much had it his way specially after the three nation invasion ( britain, france, and isreal) on egypt he gained alot from that. now we live in a time where the arabs are useless ( yes thats harsh to say but its the reality, give me one nation in the arab world which does'nt have issues with another arab country) and there is just one super power in the world now.
     
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    ReBeL

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    pretty close but thats not the entire thing rebel. off course they r worried to wake up one day and not be in ruling for several reasons that are extremely obvious and that is just not over here but in every single arab country. the situation here domestically is starting to shape up and we can say that come the next presidential elections ( if u just ignore other things and call it that) that either him or his son ( just like syria) will take rule of the country and they have there supporters there is no denying this.

    there is an increase in the financial aid given to egypt thanks to this step ( not the blocking of the convoy thats sth else i will explain ) i,e the wall to shut down the tunnels.

    the problem is hamas and hezbollah ( iran aside for now) have a totally different agenda than here. it seems we of all people forgot that we would never have peace had we not had a war first in 1973 to get back some of our dignity that was pretty much non existent after the 6 day war in 1967 followed by our land (sinai). yes violence on its own will never bring peace, nor will it ever give the palestinians there land back, nor will it allow the refuges to return back to there home land. with that said peace talks have been going on and on and on and there is nothing given to the palestinians and its just a waste of time. the conclusion is when u r on the weak side u can never set yr terms and stand up for your rights. to go in to peacce talks whether u agree or disagree with camp david requires both parties to be on par with one another. if u dont do either, like syria then u just live every single day and thats that golan hieghts have been occupied since 1973 and nothing moved on that front. so i think to have peace these two idea's should be hand in hand.

    this is also the main reason why iran and egypt never really got along ever since the late 70's. there are other minor reasons between the two but this is the head line. its also in my honest opinion a massive mistake that these two dont start some sort of conversation between them instead of going at one another using hamas and fata7. hezboallah follows the same rule too.

    now this is the key issue with egypt, we are making hamas pay a hefty price for defying our efforts to just have peace talks with out the palestinians at least standing up for them selves.

    i dont agree with blocking the convoys i think egypt should've had a very different approach. i understand there was an agreement between the convoy and the goverment here regarding there movements, but there can be an acception at least once it wont be the end of the world, and it will actually help improve the countries image after last year's wierd stand.


    regarding the peace treaty egypt and jordan have with isreal there are alot of points in this. i dont know about jordan, but i can talk about my own country which is egypt and yes i'm one of the people who thinks the peace agreement was the right move however i have to say we the egyptains did not make that much out of it, hence it lost its credibility and thats why this agreement in particular never gained popularity amongst the arabs in particular. that is not there fault but the goverments fault over here.

    lets compare what isreal gained and what we gained. isreal used the peace agreement and started developing in every single area of life. from there military status to there research facilities, eductation etc etc. while in egypt we just went from bad to worse bec the money we spent on the military pre war was now being taken into pockets of certain indiviuals. yes egypt is stacking weapons, and we still have compulsory military service but how about the other aspects of life did we gain or not?? the obvious answer is no, there is alot of corruption ( its more common between arab nations than the fact we speak the same language), very limited development when u compare between us and isreal putting in mind both nations had there shares of debts ( exclude the fact isreal pretty much had it a bit easier) but non the less thats the excuse being said here when such a question is asked, did egypt gain from having peace with isreal?

    i need to point out that the piece of land (sinai) egypt went to war to recapture is entirely desert apart from the resorts on the red sea. we toke it and just left it there with out trying to make sth out of it ( another mistake).


    as for gamal abedl nasser, its a totally different situation rebel. back then yes nasser defied the americans but he had the soviets to back hm up. he also had the arab world on his side, along with africa so he pretty much had it his way specially after the three nation invasion ( britain, france, and isreal) on egypt he gained alot from that. now we live in a time where the arabs are useless ( yes thats harsh to say but its the reality, give me one nation in the arab world which does'nt have issues with another arab country) and there is just one super power in the world now.
    I agree on most of the points especially saying that we, the Arabs, are useless.

    But I don't agree with you saying that the peace agreement with Israel was the right move. It was without use, at least for Jordan & Palestinians.
     

    IrishZebra

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    Jun 18, 2006
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    Michael Collins ceded the North so the other counties could be Independent. And Zebra, come on, the treaty was ceded by blood because of the assasinations Sinn Fein and the IRA had undertook with the years of turmoil before it.
    The ROI was achieved by blood, we can't really say NI was achieved by blood because to the Black and Tans Cocksuckers they lost 26, they didn't gain 6. What I mean to say is the ROI was bled for NI was ceded away bloodlessly. Then the civil war started.

    Sinn Fein used to be a terrorist organisation.
    :lol:
     

    Eddy

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    Aug 20, 2005
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    I don't understand the laughter but let me make myself clear, the word terrorist has a million meanings. Have they not embraced politics now ? Dáil Éireann would have been considered a terrorist organization as well in the past had there name been switched with Sinn Fein. As would all rebels that have unlegitmate meetings within a self proclaimed goverment, like Hamas and Fatah
     

    IrishZebra

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    Jun 18, 2006
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    I don't understand the laughter but let me make myself clear, the word terrorist has a million meanings. Have they not embraced politics now ? Dáil Éireann would have been considered a terrorist organization as well in the past had there name been switched with Sinn Fein. As would all rebels that have unlegitmate meetings within a self proclaimed goverment, like Hamas and Fatah
    They still maitain close links to the paramilitaries, and their leader is a convicted terrorist former head of the IRA governing council. I'm aware that they're no longer a political wing but a fully-fledged party in their own right but you can't just gloss over the history of the scum that is their leadership.

    On an unrelated matter which probably also leads to my laughter, they are Nationalists and Nationalists are morons, plus Mary Lou MacDonald is ugly :stuckup:
     
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    ReBeL

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    Is there a sport called Gaelic? I guess I read that an Irish guy who is trying to enter Gaza has a target which is making a team of Palestinians for Gaelic.

    What is that sport about?
     

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