Israeli-Palestinian conflict (77 Viewers)
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You know it's ironic. The reason they can't drive a car or ride an elevator is because they're not supposed to do any "work". And yet with all the inventions we have we're doing everything to be as lazy as possible and do as little as possible. So the whole thing is backwards. Riding in an elevator (which is totally cool btw, as long as you don't push the buttons yourself) is out, because it's "work". But walking up the whole flight of stairs is not.
Fred is not a Palestinian. He, as a Muslim and as a human above it wants Palestinians to live free. He believes that the day (finally) comes in which Palestinians throw the Israelis out of the place. I call it idealistic, you call it delusional but thing is that at the moment no one in Palestine is actually thinking of destroying Israel (even though they might have it as an ultimate wish). They are deprived of their most initial rights. I really don't know what should be done from their sides in order to bring them peace.
Do you remember some time ago you were trying to explain to me how (and please correct me if I have the whole thing backwards as may be the case) the last thing the protesters in Iran want is another revolution. They want slow and peaceful reforms, to reach their goal gradually. And that means you settle for less now, but your goal is still the same. In the face of overwhelming force, that's really the best you can do. It's pointless to talk like Fred was talking. "What are you going to tell your kids when they ask why did you give in". It's like a mouse asking another mouse "why didn't you stand up to the lion?".
We've got stable lives Martin. We are fighting here for freedom of speech, for women rights, things of that matter which are of secondary importance. It's not like we're getting up every morning in fear of getting killed or arrested. It's not like our kids are born to die. The only thing people of Palestine can do is to hold something, either it is a gun or a piece of stone, to defend their "lives".
This is what they teach to their kids because if they spend the time on teaching them the basic elements of achieving peace, it might get too late for them to save their family's lives.
This is what they teach to their kids because if they spend the time on teaching them the basic elements of achieving peace, it might get too late for them to save their family's lives.
Point taken. But what are they ever going to achieve with a gun or a rock against the US backed Israel?
Why are you under the assumption that its up to Palestinians to achieve peace?
Do you really think they'd be "left alone" if they didn't fight back?
I didn't say it was up to them. What I commented on was this unrelenting attitude you see sometimes from people who are talking about this crisis. Alen would ask a hypothetical question, that probably has very little chance of ever materializing, whether such a concession would be accepted under the dire circumstances, and you have all kinds of people saying "never". Really? Look at your circumstances ffs.
Why are you under the assumption that its up to Palestinians to achieve peace?
Do you really think they'd be "left alone" if they didn't fight back?
No it won't be secularly governed. But it won't look like the autocratic theocracies like Iran. Instead it would look like the state in the era of the Rashidun Caliphate.
Us Arabs have always been under one state for hundreds of years. Seperate states were created by the colonial powers after they were forced to leave.
Us Arabs have always been under one state for hundreds of years. Seperate states were created by the colonial powers after they were forced to leave.
I can't agree more!! there were never been borders between Arab so-called-countries.. The Israel project couldn't be done until there were definite borders and definite countries. Jews wanted to establish Israel as early as the late 1800s. But most of Arab lands were under one rule (although Turkish Ottomans, but as far as I know only Egypt had an actual Turkish ruler) and they didn't succeed until Arabs were divided after the fall of the Ottoman empire.
Now before any of you raise a question about the Turkish-Arab conflict in the early 1900s, I want to admit that, yes, Arabs were delusional and we shouldn't have believed in the promises given by France and GBR!
Basically, an actualization for the quote "Divide and conquer"
Now before any of you raise a question about the Turkish-Arab conflict in the early 1900s, I want to admit that, yes, Arabs were delusional and we shouldn't have believed in the promises given by France and GBR!
Basically, an actualization for the quote "Divide and conquer"