Israeli-Palestinian conflict (66 Viewers)

[Fred]

Even though i'll probably hate myself at nights, psychologically and emotionally ruin myself and be ashamed of what I did, I think i'll be willing to compromise.
I love my kids too much and i'd do everything to make sure that their lives won't be under any threat.

What would your kids think of you, when they grow up and find out their father wimped out and let go of his rights?

Compromise is just not an option. Us Arabs should feel ashamed of ourselves for bailing out on Palestine and leaving them fight an unfair battle.

 

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[Martin]

What would your kids think of you, when they grow up and find out their father wimped out and let go of his rights?

lol. How about "sometimes the opposition is too strong and you can't win?" How's that for a lesson to your kids?

 

[Alen]

What would your kids think of you, when they grow up and find out their father wimped out and let go of his rights?

We're trying to create a world without borders. Me giving up on something today might be exactly what might be the reason why my children, or if not my children then my grandchildren, might freely go to Israel one day, without feeling threatened at all, buy a house there, buy an apartment and even start a family.

If I don't accept a compromise today, my children and my grandchildren will probably be in my position, or even worse position, even after 30,50 or 100 years. Actually, they might not exist at all in 30,50 or 100 years.

 

[Fred]

We're trying to create a world without borders. Me giving up on something today might be exactly what might be the reason why my children, or if not my children then my grandchildren, might freely go to Israel one day, without feeling threatened at all, buy a house there, buy an apartment and even start a family.

If I don't accept a compromise today, my children and my grandchildren will probably be in my position, or even worse position, even after 30,50 or 100 years. Actually, they might not exist at all in 30,50 or 100 years.

You know full well that its way too late for that. There is too much bad blood and hatred between the two sides, that will never happen.

 

[Alen]

You know full well that its way too late for that. There is too much bad blood and hatred between the two sides, that will never happen.

I know that right now it seems like that and no other option is imaginable, but there have been just as bad cases in history and timed cured everything.

 

[ReBeL]

Even though i'll probably hate myself at nights, psychologically and emotionally ruin myself and be ashamed of what I did, I think i'll be willing to compromise.
I love my kids too much and i'd do everything to make sure that their lives won't be under any threat.

Well, Alen. Palestinians as a whole people agreed in 1988 to stop calling for the whole land taken in 1948 & 1967, and thought that they should be convinced with these lands occupied in 1967 which are almost 22% of historical Palestine. That was a very hard decision, and had a great opposition. Even one of the resistance leaders called for killing Arafat and said that each Palestinian who had a knife in his house at that time will be mentioned in the history books to be the coward guy who had a chance to kill Arafat, the person who sacrificed 78% of Palestine, but did not do it.

Arafat tried to make a state on this 22%. Israel told him they will withdraw gradually. Unfortunately, that appeared later to be another trick by Zionists and their supporters in US as Israel did not withdraw from more than 5& of these 22% for more than 8 years of the so-called-peace.

When people saw that trick, saw the settlements increasing on these 22%, saw no hope in getting the very least hope to have a real state, the second intifada started in 2000.

Israel suffered a lot in this intifada in Gaza, and as a result decided to withdraw from there, but they reoccupied the very small regions that were given to Palestinians in the West Bank keeping only the cities and the big villages in the hands of their allies, Abbas gangs. The Israelis also made an agreement with Abbas that they can enter any city or village to chase any resistant in whatever time they want. The last time for applying this agreement was this morning in Nablus killing three guys.

That is the current situation now. An isolated land with more than 1.5 million guys ruled by Hamas, is sieged by both Israel and Egypt, and a group of separate "dots" in the West Bank ruled by traitors led by Abbas.

The normal Palestinian has no hope of anything, because he has many problems to solve internally and externally. This frustration can not give anybody the chance to choose if he wants to compromise, taking in consideration there is nothing to compromise about.

 

[Alen]

Well, Alen. Palestinians as a whole people agreed in 1988 to stop calling for the whole land taken in 1948 & 1967, and thought that they should be convinced with these lands occupied in 1967 which are almost 22% of historical Palestine. That was a very hard decision, and had a great opposition. Even one of the resistance leaders called for killing Arafat and said that each Palestinian who had a knife in his house at that time will be mentioned in the history books to be the coward guy who had a chance to kill Arafat, the person who sacrificed 78% of Palestine, but did not do it.

Arafat tried to make a state on this 22%. Israel told him they will withdraw gradually. Unfortunately, that appeared later to be another trick by Zionists and their supporters in US as Israel did not withdraw from more than 5& of these 22% for more than 8 years of the so-called-peace.

When people saw that trick, saw the settlements increasing on these 22%, saw no hope in getting the very least hope to have a real state, the second intifada started in 2000.

Israel suffered a lot in this intifada in Gaza, and as a result decided to withdraw from there, but they reoccupied the very small regions that were given to Palestinians in the West Bank keeping only the cities and the big villages in the hands of their allies, Abbas gangs. The Israelis also made an agreement with Abbas that they can enter any city or village to chase any resistant in whatever time they want. The last time for applying this agreement was this morning in Nablus killing three guys.

That is the current situation now. An isolated land with more than 1.5 million guys ruled by Hamas, is sieged by both Israel and Egypt, and a group of separate "dots" in the West Bank ruled by traitors led by Abbas.

The normal Palestinian has no hope of anything, because he has many problems to solve internally and externally. This frustration can not give anybody the chance to choose if he wants to compromise, taking in consideration there is nothing to compromise about.

I was talking hypothetically, of course.

But when I said compromise I also had in mind Israel giving up on something.

If it's those 22% from 1988, take it or leave it, and if you have a guarantee that the killings will stop.... will you be willing to accept that?

 

[ReBeL]

According to Future Tv, Ali Barakeh is the Hamas guy targeted and injured in the explosion in Beirut tonight.

There are some news say that he was killed.

Fuck!

 

[JBF]

Well, Alen. Palestinians as a whole people agreed in 1988 to stop calling for the whole land taken in 1948 & 1967, and thought that they should be convinced with these lands occupied in 1967 which are almost 22% of historical Palestine. That was a very hard decision, and had a great opposition. Even one of the resistance leaders called for killing Arafat and said that each Palestinian who had a knife in his house at that time will be mentioned in the history books to be the coward guy who had a chance to kill Arafat, the person who sacrificed 78% of Palestine, but did not do it.

Arafat tried to make a state on this 22%. Israel told him they will withdraw gradually. Unfortunately, that appeared later to be another trick by Zionists and their supporters in US as Israel did not withdraw from more than 5& of these 22% for more than 8 years of the so-called-peace.

When people saw that trick, saw the settlements increasing on these 22%, saw no hope in getting the very least hope to have a real state, the second intifada started in 2000.

Israel suffered a lot in this intifada in Gaza, and as a result decided to withdraw from there, but they reoccupied the very small regions that were given to Palestinians in the West Bank keeping only the cities and the big villages in the hands of their allies, Abbas gangs. The Israelis also made an agreement with Abbas that they can enter any city or village to chase any resistant in whatever time they want. The last time for applying this agreement was this morning in Nablus killing three guys.

That is the current situation now. An isolated land with more than 1.5 million guys ruled by Hamas, is sieged by both Israel and Egypt, and a group of separate "dots" in the West Bank ruled by traitors led by Abbas.

The normal Palestinian has no hope of anything, because he has many problems to solve internally and externally. This frustration can not give anybody the chance to choose if he wants to compromise, taking in consideration there is nothing to compromise about.

Nicely put Rebel

 

[ReBeL]

lol. How about "sometimes the opposition is too strong and you can't win?" How's that for a lesson to your kids?

The problem is that some people in the world think that there is an option in the hands of Palestinians to keep silent in order to get their lands back.

People inside the West Bank and Gaza tried to do that many times, but Israel always kept taking their lands and did not give them anything to make them feel satisfied with what they got.

 

[ReBeL]

I was talking hypothetically, of course.

But when I said compromise I also had in mind Israel giving up on something.

If it's those 22% from 1988, take it or leave it, and if you have a guarantee that the killings will stop.... will you be willing to accept that?

Well, I have no right to accept something that may seem unfair to others. For example, I might be satisfied with getting my father's house because it is located in the 22% we are talking about, but a refugee in one of Lebanon camps will not be satisfied ever with that solution because he will not go back and will lose everything at that time. I know he has no land right now, but at least, he is inheriting the hope to the coming generations that they will be back once, and that someday life will be fair again. If I give up his land, that will appear as something odd as it is not my right to do so.

 

[JBF]

According to Future Tv, Ali Barakeh is the Hamas guy targeted and injured in the explosion in Beirut tonight.

There are some news say that he was killed.

Fuck!

Rebel, Al-Jazeera correspondant says that this news is false and that he was phoned and he assured that he was ok.

The identity of the one injured/killed is still unknown.

 

[ReBeL]

Rebel, Al-Jazeera correspondant says that this news is false and that he was phoned and he assured that he was ok.

The identity of the one injured/killed is still unknown.

I hope that is right.

This guy was one of Hamas leaders who were representing Palestinians in the negotiations for Shalit in Cairo one week ago.

 

[Ahmed]

I was talking hypothetically, of course.

But when I said compromise I also had in mind Israel giving up on something.

If it's those 22% from 1988, take it or leave it, and if you have a guarantee that the killings will stop.... will you be willing to accept that?

they kill more Palestinian in the long-term...denial of natural resources, restrictions on travel and goods is what eventually leads to the outbreak of violence

IMO it can't be acceptable until this very serious imbalance is resolved

 

[ReBeL]

Today, we lost the father of Palestinian Encyclopedia, Anees Sayegh.

He spent his life documenting all the details for anything that is related to Palestine.

Allah Yerhamak, ya Ostath Anees.

 

[Fred]

Allah Yer7amo, Denya o A5era Inshalla.

 

[ReBeL]

Al-Jadeed TV says that Beirut explosion's toll is 3 killed, and 5 injured. That Tv says all of those hurt in the explosion are Palestinians from Hamas.

Israel is retaliating on all the fronts.

Today, 3 killed in the West Bank, 3 in Gaza, and 3 in Beirut...

May Allah accept them as martyrs.

 

[king Ale]

lol. How about "sometimes the opposition is too strong and you can't win?" How's that for a lesson to your kids?

Alright, what ways do you suggest for Palestinians in order to achieve "peace"?

 

[Martin]

Alright, what ways do you suggest for Palestinians in order to achieve "peace"?

Nothing in particular, I was just arguing with Fred's point about "victory at all cost", which I think is just delusional.

 

[IrishZebra]

Let's just give North Korea to the jews, two birds one stone.