Yeah, right. Logic and reason.
Who the hell are you kidding? You've been completely one-sided and did not even know the facts.
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Israeli-Palestinian conflict (40 Viewers)
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Yeah, right. Logic and reason.
Who the hell are you kidding? You've been completely one-sided and did not even know the facts.
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You were the one I noticed posting photos
The simple fact is that Israel exists. It is not going to stop existing. Any move towards peace must start with this as a begining point. Israel is more than willing to allow for a two state sollution. That doesn't mean that they are perfect, but they are willing partners in a potential peace process. When will the other side come to the table?
Wrong, the UN gave them legal grounds when it declared them a state. What legal grounds are needed? And whose land did they take? There was NEVER a country/nation of Palestine. This area was a part of a succession of dynasties. They were rulled by the Greeks (briefly followed by Israeli independence again), Romans (and later splinters), Muslim Caliphates, Crusaders, Ottoman-Turks, and Brittish. Never was there a nation in this area, never a people, never a government, NOTHING.
The Brittish began the giving over of governance to Israel, the UN confirmed it, it was and is legal in every sense of the word.
Someone who is also highly educated, spent decades as an atheist, and is more than willing to reason with you. That's fine. Ignore anyone of an opposing viewpoint, that shows nothing but ignorance and closed mindedness. Funnily enough the same things I'm sure you would accuse me of.
The Brittish began the giving over of governance to Israel, the UN confirmed it, it was and is legal in every sense of the word.
Someone who is also highly educated, spent decades as an atheist, and is more than willing to reason with you. That's fine. Ignore anyone of an opposing viewpoint, that shows nothing but ignorance and closed mindedness. Funnily enough the same things I'm sure you would accuse me of.
Do you think being with rocks in Petra means that you know how Jordanians think? Did you discuss your ideas with those rocks and they told you that peace is great with Israelis? How did you conclude that Jordanian people are satisfied with the current humiliating so-called peace?
Did you think someday what your reaction will be if somebody comes and kills your three kids, how will you react? On which cheek you would kiss him?
There is a difference, you know, between being non-perfect and being criminal.
How could you measure that Clinton's proposal was "Much too generous"? Would you elaborate it please here for everybody because last time I saw it it ignored refugees, Jerusalem, Settlements in the West Bank, water, more than 10000 Palestinian prisoners, .......?
Please don't tell me you found something related to Solomon Temple in Palestine. I'm totally sure that the probability of finding it in Houston is much higher...
Did you think someday what your reaction will be if somebody comes and kills your three kids, how will you react? On which cheek you would kiss him?
There is a difference, you know, between being non-perfect and being criminal.
How could you measure that Clinton's proposal was "Much too generous"? Would you elaborate it please here for everybody because last time I saw it it ignored refugees, Jerusalem, Settlements in the West Bank, water, more than 10000 Palestinian prisoners, .......?
Please don't tell me you found something related to Solomon Temple in Palestine. I'm totally sure that the probability of finding it in Houston is much higher...
Under the Motevideo Convention they do not qualify as having a defined geographic territory or population congruent with ethnic ties i.e. Monder day Isreal hasn't been full of jews and that geographic territory for a long time.
Similarly any UN recognition of Israel is void due to it conflicting Universal Human Rights with are Jus Cogens which mean you can't deny them for any reason ever.
I can go into more detail if you want later or PM you some stuff about it.
Similarly any UN recognition of Israel is void due to it conflicting Universal Human Rights with are Jus Cogens which mean you can't deny them for any reason ever.
I can go into more detail if you want later or PM you some stuff about it.
I did not say that all of my time was at Petra, and yes I did engage as many locals as I could find. Cultural studies are a huge interest to me, and I love engaging and getting to meet and attempting to understand people as much as possible.
I will not seek to kill in return, no. How do you think the Israeli's feel when their kids are killed by suicide bombers? As I said, both sides have blood, neither side are angels, but what we need is an end to this terrible violence and bloodshed. What will bring an end to it? More bloodshed will only beget more bloodshed. Israel will never cease to exist at this point, peace must be forged, and that means a two-state sollution.
Both sides have a history of "criminal" actions. The formation of the Israeli state was NOT criminal though.
Nope, but there are artifacts from that period you do realise?
I will not seek to kill in return, no. How do you think the Israeli's feel when their kids are killed by suicide bombers? As I said, both sides have blood, neither side are angels, but what we need is an end to this terrible violence and bloodshed. What will bring an end to it? More bloodshed will only beget more bloodshed. Israel will never cease to exist at this point, peace must be forged, and that means a two-state sollution.
Both sides have a history of "criminal" actions. The formation of the Israeli state was NOT criminal though.
Nope, but there are artifacts from that period you do realise?
pouring?? I love how you choose your words.
About Gaza, you probably heard while you were digging some silly hole before around 15 years Rabin, the Israeli PM, when he said: Ï dream of the day when I wake up and find Gaza drowning in the sea". Israel always wanted to get out of Gaza because they could not bear with their SOLDIERS casualties there...The settlers who were there were already knowing they were not staying for long, but they lived there to get the compensation from their government when they act as those who sacrifice some lands to the Palestinians.
Note: The whole land belongs to nobody but Palestinians since thousands of years.
I love how you choose your words.About Gaza, you probably heard while you were digging some silly hole before around 15 years Rabin, the Israeli PM, when he said: Ï dream of the day when I wake up and find Gaza drowning in the sea". Israel always wanted to get out of Gaza because they could not bear with their SOLDIERS casualties there...The settlers who were there were already knowing they were not staying for long, but they lived there to get the compensation from their government when they act as those who sacrifice some lands to the Palestinians.
Note: The whole land belongs to nobody but Palestinians since thousands of years.
That's incorrect. Saying the land that is today Israel never had a people would be like saying that Columbus discovered America or the Portugese discovered Africa. The land and people were always there. They had separate cultures, beliefs, a way of life, etc. There were even divisions and groups with in these people. They were just lacking the designation of borders that they now have today.
Ok I know I said I was gone, but I didn't quite get out the door yet and I saw this. I didn't say there was no people, I said there was no nation. Show me a nation. Name it, show me its government.
There was Greece, Rome, the remnants of Rome, Islamic Caliphates, Crusaders, Islamic Caliphates (again), Ottoman-Turks, Brittish and then ... Israel.
edit, ok Going back I see the language "never a people" in my previous post, and I appologize for that being mis spoken by my part. I did not mean that there were no people there, or that the people there had no rights. What I meant was there was never a group of people with sovereign freedom. "The Holy Land" (so as not to call it either Palestine or Israel) has been a land owned by a succession of dynasties, the last of which gave control to the Israelis. It is that simple. There was never a self-governing group of people in this area since the Israel of antiquity is what I was trying to say.
There was Greece, Rome, the remnants of Rome, Islamic Caliphates, Crusaders, Islamic Caliphates (again), Ottoman-Turks, Brittish and then ... Israel.
edit, ok Going back I see the language "never a people" in my previous post, and I appologize for that being mis spoken by my part. I did not mean that there were no people there, or that the people there had no rights. What I meant was there was never a group of people with sovereign freedom. "The Holy Land" (so as not to call it either Palestine or Israel) has been a land owned by a succession of dynasties, the last of which gave control to the Israelis. It is that simple. There was never a self-governing group of people in this area since the Israel of antiquity is what I was trying to say.
I think you did not meet anybody in Jordan except some imaginary friends, maybe.
I totally understand that because you are an angel and angels don't do that.
You know that more than 500 villages were demolished in 6 months. You know that there were more than 50 massacres in 1947 and 1948. Did you hear of Deir Yaseen? Dawayma? Nasereddeen? Tantura?
Even Israeli historians say that 1948 saw massacres that were so horrible that forced most of Palestinians to run with their kids.
I found some Arab artifacts in Alaska last year while digging with my girlfriend. You are free to believe me or not.
I totally understand that because you are an angel and angels don't do that.
You know that more than 500 villages were demolished in 6 months. You know that there were more than 50 massacres in 1947 and 1948. Did you hear of Deir Yaseen? Dawayma? Nasereddeen? Tantura?
Even Israeli historians say that 1948 saw massacres that were so horrible that forced most of Palestinians to run with their kids.
I found some Arab artifacts in Alaska last year while digging with my girlfriend. You are free to believe me or not.
