Israeli-Palestinian conflict (35 Viewers)

[Ahmed]

they aren't the ones under forced occupation, living in refugee camps, being denied 90% of the natural resources, being abused, killed and harassed by freeloader "settlers" armed with weapons and who are above the law, and who could care less about their 'Jewishness' and more about how financially viable is to live in Zion

 

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[IrishZebra]

It's kind of hard to be peacful when some dickheads stole your land and are murdering you friends and family to suit their Jewish Agenda.

 

[Ahmed]

not to mention harvest their internal organs

 

[IrishZebra]

not to mention harvest their internal organs

 

[Italia Todd]

It's kind of hard to be peacful when some dickheads stole your land and are murdering you friends and family to suit their Jewish Agenda.

Stole what land? There was never a Palestinian state, never a Palestinian nation, never a Palestinian King, it is all manufactured. The last sovereign state in Israel before 1947 was ... Israel. It has been an occupied nation devoid of sovereignty ever since.

Israel did not steal anyones land nor force anyone out. In 47 when they became a state it was the Arab nations telling the Palestinians to leave to return after they destroyed the Jews. Unfortunately the Jews kicked their ever loving butts, and ever since the Palestinians have been pawns getting abused by their Arab neighbors as much or more than they have by the Israelis.

 

[IrishZebra]

I think you'll find that if you want to get into a debate against what constitutes and nation/state that is soveirgn or otherwise I'm the last person you want to discuss it with.

Palestine was nad still is a nation, it should be a state, neither Jewish nor Muslim as in was pre-mandate.

 

[Italia Todd]

I believe there should be a two state sollution, the Palestinians with Gaza and the West Bank, and Jerusalem should be made an international city. Golan though should remain as a part of Israel, I would never return it to Syria after all of the death and terror that it had formerly been used for, it would never be safe again in those valleys for the Israeli citizens.

 

[IrishZebra]

You see the problem with both sides and their sympathisers is that they somehow have this notion that State and Relgion are congruent in Democracy, which they certainly are not. The notion of a Jewish state or a muslim state is magnificently stupid. Learn about governance before you blow yourself up.

Jews have no right to a homeland any more than Atheists of Scientologists do.

 

[Italia Todd]

You see the problem with both sides and their sympathisers is that they somehow have this notion that State and Relgion are congruent in Democracy, which they certainly are not. The notion of a Jewish state or a muslim state is magnificently stupid. Learn about governance before you blow yourself up.

Jews have no right to a homeland any more than Atheists of Scientologists do.

Jews are not a religion, they are a race. As a matter of fact the vast majority of Israel is secular, a large portion of them atheists.

 

[IrishZebra]

Ethno-Religious not a race .

 

[Bjerknes]

When the Palestinians decide that they want peace more than they want dead Israelis then there will be peace. Egypt decided to seek peace and now has peace with Israel. Jordan decided they wanted peace and now they have peace with Israel. When Palestine decides she will accept peace she will have peace as well. Israel pulled out of Gaza, and what happened? Thousands of missiles fired from Gaza into Israel, coming on a daily basis.

If Palestine wants peace and a nation, Israel will give it. Palestine is not willing to seek peace and a two nation sollution to this point.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

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Jews are not a religion, they are a race. As a matter of fact the vast majority of Israel is secular, a large portion of them atheists.

Jews are a particular group of people belonging to the Semitic race that happen to practice Judaism.

 

[Italia Todd]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Really? How much time have you spent in the Middle East Mr. USA? I've spent extensive time there, not only in Israel but also the West Bank, Jordan and Egypt. I've done graduate level studies in areas applicable to this issue. I would venture a guess that I know a hell of a lot more about it than you do my friend.

 

[Italia Todd]

Jews are a particular group of people belonging to the Semitic race that happen to practice Judaism.

Once again, the majority of Jews, including those living in Israel, are secular in nature and do NOT actively or in any other way practice Judaism as a religion.

 

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Once again, the majority of Jews, including those living in Israel, are secular in nature and do NOT actively or in any other way practice Judaism as a religion.

I think you're confusing religion and race.

Would you consider the Pope leader of a Catholic race? Are non-muslims in Saudi Arabia still considered muslims? Can you be Jewish and not practice Judaism?

In my eyes a person that lives in Israel and doesn't practice Judaism would be and Israeli in nationality and semitic in race.

I come from a Catholic upbringing and do not consider myself to be Catholic. I'm American in nationality, caucasian in race, and nothing as far as religion goes.

 

[The Curr]

Once again, the majority of Jews, including those living in Israel, are secular in nature and do NOT actively or in any other way practice Judaism as a religion.

 

[Bjerknes]

Really? How much time have you spent in the Middle East Mr. USA? I've spent extensive time there, not only in Israel but also the West Bank, Jordan and Egypt. I've done graduate level studies in areas applicable to this issue. I would venture a guess that I know a hell of a lot more about it than you do my friend.

If so, then you would know that Israel broke the cease fire on November 4th, 2008, by blocking supplies from reaching their destination of Gaza City. The Gazans were not allowed to receive food and medical supplies, things they need to survive. So, as any fighting human being would do, they fought back by firing missiles into Israel.

Israel escalated the situation, not Hamas.

If you did not know that, your credibility goes down the tube (not that I thought you had any in the first place).

 

[Italia Todd]

If so, then you would know that Israel broke the cease fire on November 4th, 2008, by blocking supplies from reaching their destination of Gaza City. The Gazans were not allowed to receive food and medical supplies, things they need to survive. So, as any fighting human being would do, they fought back by firing missiles into Israel.

If you knew anything you would know that even during the "ceasefire" there were rockets raining down, just in decreased frequency.

 

[IrishZebra]

JBF has a new best friend

 

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If so, then you would know that Israel broke the cease fire on November 4th, 2008, by blocking supplies from reaching their destination of Gaza City. The Gazans were not allowed to receive food and medical supplies, things they need to survive. So, as any fighting human being would do, they fought back by firing missiles into Israel.

Israel escalated the situation, not Hamas.

If you did not know that, your credibility goes down the tube (not that I thought you had any in the first place).

Correction: Rockets were fired.