Israeli-Palestinian conflict (29 Viewers)

[swag]

once again, say you live in gaza 4 months ago how in hell are you civilly disobeying in that open air prison where you re already made to starve? I have made my point more than clear; the hamas leadership had no other choice really.

Cop-out. Sorry. With that mental position, you just sold out all Palestinians to be two-year-olds incapable of doing anything for themselves. This is where you and I disagree, but I just don't buy it anytime someone revokes free will and says "they have no choice".

There are always choices. That's the last bit of dignity people in Gaza have left to be human, and I'm not going to deny them that.

 

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[Il Re]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3czDRZF9Q0U

tony benn - legend

 

[ReBeL]

Look at this typical Western media.

What about the Palestinian people being killed since the so called truce? What about the continuous siege? Is the Israeli soldier killed today a civilian?

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Deadly roadside bombing threatens Gaza truce


JERUSALEM – Palestinian militants detonated a bomb next to an Israeli army patrol along the border with Gaza on Tuesday, killing one soldier and wounding three in the first serious clash since a cease-fire went into effect more than a week ago.

Israeli soldiers briefly crossed the border in search of the attackers, and Israel's defense minister, Ehud Barak, called an urgent meeting of Israel's top defense officers, saying Israel "cannot accept" the attack.

"We will respond, but there is no point in elaborating," Barak said in comments released by his office.

The explosion jolted the calm that has largely prevailed since Israel ended a devastating three-week offensive on Jan. 17. Since withdrawing its troops, Israel has threatened to retaliate hard for any violations of the truce.

The flare-up came as Gazans struggle to resume normal life after the fighting, and as international donors discuss how best to help the territory rebuild. Gaza's Hamas leader said Tuesday the group — which is boycotted as a terrorist organization by the U.S. and European Union — would not try to claim any of the reconstruction funds, an announcement that appeared aimed at clearing the way for money to start flowing.

The announcement from Ismail Haniyeh, who remains in hiding because of fears he could be assassinated by Israel, appeared directed at donors who concerned their funds could end up in Hamas' hands.

"Our aim now is to ease the suffering of our people and to remove the aftermath of the aggression in Gaza," the statement said. "Therefore we emphasize that we are not concerned to receive the money for rebuilding Gaza and we are not seeking that."

After Tuesday's bomb blast, heavy gunfire was heard along the border in central Gaza and Israeli helicopters hovered in the air firing machine gun bursts, Palestinian witnesses said. An Israeli jet set off a loud sonic boom over Gaza City not long afterward, possibly as a warning.

The Israeli military said the bomb targeted an Israeli patrol near the border community of Kissufim. It was not clear if it was planted after the cease-fire, or whether it was an older device. There was no claim of responsibility.

Not long after the bombing, a 27-year-old Gaza farmer was killed by Israeli gunfire along the border several miles (kilometers) away, according to Dr. Moaiya Hassanain of Gaza's Health Ministry. Two other Palestinians were wounded. The military had no immediate comment, and it was unclear if the two incidents were related.

Israel closed its crossings into Gaza to humanitarian aid traffic after briefly opening them Tuesday morning. Gaza border official Raed Fattouh said Israeli officials informed him the closure was due to the attack.

Israel and Gaza militants have been holding their fire since Israel ended its offensive, which was aimed at halting rocket fire from the territory. Israel announced a unilateral cease-fire on Jan. 17, and that was followed by a similar announcement from Gaza militants.

In the days immediately following the cease-fire there was shelling by Israeli gunboats and some gunfire along the border — including the killing of two men Palestinian officials identified as farmers — but there were no serious clashes until Tuesday.

Although there was no claim of responsibility, Mushir al-Masri, a Hamas leader, said Israel was to blame for continuing to fire into Gaza. Al-Masri said his group had not agreed to a full cease-fire but only to a "lull" in fighting.

"The Zionists are responsible for any aggression," he said.

Egypt is currently trying to negotiate a longer-term arrangement to allow quiet in the coastal territory of 1.4 million people, which has been ruled by the Islamic militants of Hamas since June 2007. Local experts believe the fighting caused some $2 billion in damage.

Israel wants an end to Hamas rocket attacks and guarantees that Hamas will be prevented from smuggling weapons into Gaza from Egypt. Hamas has demanded that Israel and Egypt reopen Gaza's border crossings, which have been largely closed since Hamas took power. The crossings are Gaza's economic lifeline.

The Israeli offensive killed 1,285 Palestinians, more than half of them civilians, according to records kept by the Palestinian Center for Human Rights. Thirteen Israelis, including three civilians, were also killed during the fighting.

Associated Press

 

[Il Re]

How the world can stop Israeli crimes
Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:31:05 GMT
by Roshan Muhammad Salih, Press TV, London


The following is an exclusive Press TV interview with Tony Benn -- British socialist, former Labour MP and Cabinet Minister -- on the Israeli war on the Gaza Strip:

Press TV: Tony Benn, you just gave a speech a few minute ago. Could you summarize what you said, and what your message is to Israel?

Benn: What is happening in Gaza is a crime against humanity. It is a moral issue and we are all morally responsible now, wherever we live, to help the people of Gaza.

I am suggesting that there is something that we could do, for example, there is a British naval base in Cyprus. We should use Royal Navy warships to escort the ship carrying humanitarian supplies to Gaza.

We should use the Royal Air Force to fly into Gaza doctors, medical supplies, and also journalists, whom Israel keeps out.

We should tell the Israeli airlines EL Al that until they abide by the United Nations' decisions, no Israeli aircraft would be allowed to fly into any British airport.

We should tell the British ambassador to withdraw from Israel, and the Israeli ambassador to withdraw from here. We should recognize that Palestine is a state.

We should also talk to Hamas ourselves, and we should get better, fairer coverage from media in Britain, that does not cover our demonstrations but at least through the help of Press TV what we are saying in Britain today can get around the world.
Press TV: Yes. What you are enumerating are practical solutions, practical things that the UK government could do. They have been accused of not taking these practical steps. They might have condemned what is going on, they might have called for a ceasefire, but some people are saying those are words, they are not concrete actions.

Benn: I agree. That's why I came up with some "practical" suggestions; what any human being would do. If children, women, civilians are dying under a murderous air attack our responsibility is to react in every way we can, wherever we live. And I think the British government should take this up and deal with it in a practical way.

Press TV: And the British government has been trying very hard to say that its response to the crisis in Gaza has been different from its response to the crisis in Lebanon a few years ago, when it didn't call for an immediate ceasefire.

And they are saying that they are trying to get the message across that maybe young Muslims in this country might be getting radicalized by seeing those images. Do you think that is a fair point, that we should cut the British government a bit of slack, that they are doing their best?

Benn: Well, if they do think differently from the past, I welcome that, but it is not enough. The fact is they could do more. And public opinion in Britain has changed dramatically.

I think the support for Palestinians now in Britain is on a huge scale as you can see from these big demonstrations. But I am not insisting on criticizing anyone, I just want action now to prevent the slaughter from going on.

Press TV: The public opinion does seem to be behind the Palestinians here in the UK. These massive demonstrations, they are huge in terms of numbers. Are they achieving anything? I mean Israel seems to be ignoring international opinion. Does it care about what is going on in here?

Benn: Well South African whites ignored the demonstrations about the apartheid and the apartheid ended. I mean the truth is, well in 2003, we had a million and half against the Iraq war.

And who would have imagined then that the next president of the United States, Barack Obama, would be a man who voted against the Iraq war. Never underestimate the power of public opinion and demonstrations; never underestimate it.

Press TV: What do you make of the diplomatic efforts currently going on in Egypt, and elsewhere, to put an end to this conflict?

Benn: Well, I have not seen the outcome, but nothing can be done to assist the Israelis in their determination to destroy Hamas, the alleged government of Palestine.

So they have got to be very careful. But the fact is that the slaughter must be stopped, Palestine must be recognized, and Hamas must be seen as the agent of the Palestinian people.

And I think that is what will happen. The Israelis, however many weapons they have, are going to lose this war. And I think the greatest enemy of the Jewish people is the Israeli government itself.

 

[Ahmed]

Military Rabbi Urged Troops to Show No Mercy towards Gaza civilians

Rights Group Complains After Troops Told That Gaza's Civilian Population Was Not Innocent
Posted January 26, 2009

Israeli human rights group Yesh Din is calling for the ouster of the military’s top rabbi, Brigadier General Avichai Rontzki over his messages to soldiers during the 22-day military offensive in the Gaza Strip. The primary concern was a booklet which, among other things, contained a rabbinical edict against showing mercy.

The booklet contains quotes from a nationalist rabbi which declares that showing mercy during the battle would be “terribly immoral” and quotes a sage who cautioned Jews not to “be enticed by the folly of the Gentiles who have mercy for the cruel.”

Yesh Din says the booklet could have been seen by soldiers as official encouragement to act in violation of international law… an important issue as the Israeli government scrambles to defend itself against accusations of massive war crimes during the war.

Another pamphlet told troops that the civilian population of the Gaza Strip was not innocent, and urges them to “spare your lives and the lives of your friends and not to show concern for a population that surrounds us and harms us.” Over 1,400 Palestinians were killing during the war, a large number of them civilians.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

ahmed, i didnt think you were one of those guys who posted articles that showed how ignorant religion is

 

[CheSchifo!]

Military Rabbi Urged Troops to Show No Mercy towards Gaza civilians

Rights Group Complains After Troops Told That Gaza's Civilian Population Was Not Innocent
Posted January 26, 2009

Israeli human rights group Yesh Din is calling for the ouster of the military’s top rabbi, Brigadier General Avichai Rontzki over his messages to soldiers during the 22-day military offensive in the Gaza Strip. The primary concern was a booklet which, among other things, contained a rabbinical edict against showing mercy.

The booklet contains quotes from a nationalist rabbi which declares that showing mercy during the battle would be “terribly immoral” and quotes a sage who cautioned Jews not to “be enticed by the folly of the Gentiles who have mercy for the cruel.”

Yesh Din says the booklet could have been seen by soldiers as official encouragement to act in violation of international law… an important issue as the Israeli government scrambles to defend itself against accusations of massive war crimes during the war.

Another pamphlet told troops that the civilian population of the Gaza Strip was not innocent, and urges them to “spare your lives and the lives of your friends and not to show concern for a population that surrounds us and harms us.” Over 1,400 Palestinians were killing during the war, a large number of them civilians.

You sure that last phrase is correct?

 

[CheSchifo!]

What exactly is Western here by the way?

Is it American, is it British, is it European, or is it all of them?

 

[Martin]

ahmed, i didnt think you were one of those guys who posted articles that showed how ignorant religion is

lol

 

[Sadomin]

Look at this typical Western media.

What about the Palestinian people being killed since the so called truce? What about the continuous siege? Is the Israeli soldier killed today a civilian?

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The Israeli offensive killed 1,285 Palestinians, more than half of them civilians, according to records kept by the Palestinian Center for Human Rights. Thirteen Israelis, including three civilians, were also killed during the fighting.

Associated Press

Coming from a Western pro-Jewish propaganda machine, that sounds pretty unflattering for the Israelis.

This was an article about Hamas bombings. For the past years we've been showered in news on Israeli sieges, raids and crimes of all sorts and yet you fail to mention those so that you can promote your personal agenda. This makes you more biased than this media that you criticize.

 

[Osman]

ahmed, i didnt think you were one of those guys who posted articles that showed how ignorant religion is

Next time you ask "why me?", See this above post as a good example of your douchebaggery

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

i am very proud of that one-liner. i think it is funny, martin thinks it is funny and anyone with a sense of humour ought to think the same way . i wish i could +rep myself

 

[JCK]

i am very proud of that one-liner. i think it is funny, martin thinks it is funny and anyone with a sense of humour ought to think the same way . i wish i could +rep myself

I wish I am interested in these topics so I would read the article to judge your one-liner.

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

"Another pamphlet [some clergy guy] told troops that the civilian population of the Gaza Strip was not innocent, ... and not to show concern for a population that surrounds [Israeli peeps] and harms [Israeli peeps]."


short enough?

 

[swag]

"Another pamphlet [some clergy guy] told troops that the civilian population of the Gaza Strip was not innocent, ... and not to show concern for a population that surrounds [Israeli peeps] and harms [Israeli peeps]."


short enough?

I remember some guy in a grocery store parking lot in the 1980s handing me a flyer proclaiming that then-U.S.-president Ronald Reagan was secretly working for the Pope.

There's all kinds out there.

 

[Zé Tahir]

Damn, you're old

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

and don't forget, unstylish

 

[JCK]

"Another pamphlet [some clergy guy] told troops that the civilian population of the Gaza Strip was not innocent, ... and not to show concern for a population that surrounds [Israeli peeps] and harms [Israeli peeps]."


short enough?

Length has nothing to do with the whole thing, it's the subject

 

[swag]

and don't forget, unstylish

You try keeping your suits pressed when you're living in a Dumpster(tm).

 

[ReBeL]

For the past years we've been showered in news on Israeli sieges, raids and crimes of all sorts

I didn't see the reaction of such claimed showering.