Israeli-Palestinian conflict (35 Viewers)

[CheSchifo!]

Europeans like you just use human rights and stupid slogans to justify getting rid of the Jews from your countries to drop them in Palestine. You just got rid of your trash 60 years ago, and don't want to discuss the consequences of that trash now because that means that you were participating in the crime. You know who the Israelis are, and you just love the idea that you could get rid of them even if that was a disaster for another people in this world.

We made the human rights. You guys can't even apply them within your own borders FFS.

 

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[CheSchifo!]

Tell that to the Palestinians who have lived there all their life, but were forced out of their homes and into the confines of walls.

Sort of like wrong+wrong=right?

You know what they say about that, Andy.

 

[ReBeL]

Mashaal, one of Hamas leaders before an hour: "It is a shame for Europe to welcome Livni in Brussels and try to find tools to forbid Palestinian resistance from getting weapons to defend its people, while it keeps silent about the Israeli weapons. Shame on Europe".

 

[Bjerknes]

wrong+wrong=right?
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Ask Israel about that. That's exactly what they believe.

 

[swag]

Yes, Martin, which is the exact point I have made 5000 pages back. But they chose not to accept it. IMHO the only ones with a rational claim to the land are the ones who have lived there all their lives. And that includes a lot of Israelis.

And even that is a complete mess of a policy, given generational migrations, family bloodlines merged with those from other parts of the land, etc.

 

[Alen]

I don't say that we should go back where we were originally before 500000 years. All what I say is that Palestinians now know in SPECIFIC where their house in Palestine is, and Israelis know in SPECIFIC where their house in Poland is, because 60 years didn't delete the memory of old guys from the two parties.

And if this same situation lasts for 40 years more, if everyone from 1948 is dead and no-one knows where the house in Palestine or Poland is......does it mean that it's over, a done deal, Israel has all the right to exist?

The mistake was done in 1948 and 1967 when they stole your grandfather's land. Yes, they stole it and the world helped them to do it.
But most of those Jews from 1948 are dead now and we can not punish their grandchildren for that. The millions of people in Israel who were born and raised in Israel have all the right to that land, i'm afraid.

What we can and we (the world) must do though is to stop what's happening in Gaza and to prevent another land robbery.

 

[CheSchifo!]

And if this same situation lasts for 40 years more, if everyone from 1948 is dead and no-one knows where the house in Palestine or Poland is......does it mean that it's over, a done deal, Israel has all the right to exist?
The mistake was done in 1948 and 1967 when they stole your grandfather's land. Yes, they stole it and the world helped them to do it.
But most of those people from 1948 are dead now and we can not punish their grandchildren for that. The millions of people in Israel who were born and raised in Israel have all the right to that land, i'm afraid.

What we can and we (the world) must do though is to stop what's happening in Gaza and to prevent another land robbery.

That's exactly what happens in these situations you know. Land gets stolen, people get angry and then they all forget. Add another 50 years and people will think Israel has always been there.

And even that is a complete mess of a policy, given generational migrations, family bloodlines merged with those from other parts of the land, etc.

Yeah, I know. I wouldn't be a fan of applying it in a strict sense, but I have to say that there's some justice to the idea.

 

[ReBeL]

And if this same situation lasts for 40 years more, if everyone from 1948 is dead and no-one knows where the house in Palestine or Poland is......does it mean that it's over, a done deal, Israel has all the right to exist?

The mistake was done in 1948 and 1967 when they stole your grandfather's land. Yes, they stole it and the world helped them to do it.
But most of those Jews from 1948 are dead now and we can not punish their grandchildren for that. The millions of people in Israel who were born and raised in Israel have all the right to that land, i'm afraid.

Don't worry. I don't want you to force them to leave Palestine but I just want the world to keep silent when they will be pushed out just like that coward world was silent for all the previous 60 years. We will get our lands back even if after many generations. The world just has to shut up.

What we can and we (the world) must do though is to stop what's happening in Gaza and to prevent another land robbery.

Who stopped what was happening in Gaza?

 

[CheSchifo!]

Don't worry. I don't want you to force them to leave Palestine but I just want the world to keep silent when they will be pushed out just like that coward world was silent for all the previous 60 years. We will get our lands back even if after many generations. The world just has to shut up.




Who stopped what was happening in Gaza?

Trust me, any attempt of doing so is going to hurt you far, far more than it is going to hurt Israel.

You can't use arguments like this in a discussion, ReBeL. It will simply not happen.

 

[ReBeL]

Trust me, any attempt of doing so is going to hurt you far, far more than it is going to hurt Israel.

You can't use arguments like this in a discussion, ReBeL. It will simply not happen.

It will, Andries. Maybe I won't be here to come and tell you, but it will for sure.

 

[Alen]

We will get our lands back even if after many generations.

But if after many generations those lands will still be "your lands" then the 500000 years theory is valid, isn't it?

 

[CheSchifo!]

It will, Andries. Maybe I won't be here to come and tell you, but it will for sure.

That's great. But it's not likely to happen in the first 100 years. And I don't want it to happen anyway.

 

[ReBeL]

But if after many generations those lands will still be "your lands" then the 500000 years theory is valid, isn't it?

Think whatever you want. I know that my father has a house there, and it should be regained back.

 

[CheSchifo!]

Mashaal, one of Hamas leaders before an hour: "It is a shame for Europe to welcome Livni in Brussels and try to find tools to forbid Palestinian resistance from getting weapons to defend its people, while it keeps silent about the Israeli weapons. Shame on Europe".

Then Mashaal hasn't been paying much attention to what the European leaders had to say about the whole conflict .

 

[ReBeL]

That's great. But it's not likely to happen in the first 100 years.

You don't know. Time will say.

And I don't want it to happen anyway.

Your opinion doesn't count as you have nothing to do with the whole conflict. If you want something or not, that doesn't matter.

 

[Martin]

Europeans like you just use human rights and stupid slogans to justify getting rid of the Jews from your countries to drop them in Palestine. You just got rid of your trash 60 years ago, and don't want to discuss the consequences of that trash now because that means that you were participating in the crime. You know who the Israelis are, and you just love the idea that you could get rid of them even if that was a disaster for another people in this world.

We did not "get rid of them", there's still plenty of Jews living all around the world. The ones that left did so because they wanted to, not because they had to. Jews have long been discriminated against in the course of history, that's true. But we're talking about the 20th century, where your criticism does not apply.

Nor does it have anything to do with human rights.

I should be careful about historical claims lest Alen kick my ass.

 

[Martin]

Mashaal, one of Hamas leaders before an hour: "It is a shame for Europe to welcome Livni in Brussels and try to find tools to forbid Palestinian resistance from getting weapons to defend its people, while it keeps silent about the Israeli weapons. Shame on Europe".

Yes, but that has nothing to do with what we're discussing here. I do not stand for Israeli propaganda.

 

[CheSchifo!]

You don't know. Time will say.




Your opinion doesn't count as you have nothing to do with the whole conflict. If you want something or not, that doesn't matter.

On the contrary. As sad as it might be, the world considers my opinion more important than yours. If I were you, I'd do anything to change it.

 

[Alen]

If I were you, I'd do anything to change it.

How do you think it can be done?

 

[ReBeL]

Then Mashaal hasn't been paying much attention to what the European leaders had to say about the whole conflict .

They were hiding during the war, and waited for the attack to stop to welcome Livni to coordinate with her how they can stop Hamas from getting weapons.

I loved Hamas military spokesman when he was laughing on the treaty signed by Israel and USA to forbid Hamas from getting weapons. He said: "They made me feel we were getting our weapons from USA!! We got our weapons from our allies by means that can't be stopped by the whole world".