Israeli-Palestinian conflict (99 Viewers)

[JCK]

I thought we were playing "do you know" freeze tag. My bad.

I don't know it. Give me the rules and I'm game.

 

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[CheSchifo!]

But then by that same mental argument, there never has been any true Communist country in history.

Which kind of makes this discussion rather pointless if we're talking about ideals that are largely unattainable within the confines of a global society.

Well, duh!

That's why I think it's safer to not consider him anymore .

 

[Enron]

I don't know it. Give me the rules and I'm game.

I'll have to think on that. I'd guess it would consist of asking someone "do you know" and they not being able to post again until they get asked "do you know" by someone else. But that the same time someone else can freeze you the same way. Bah. Those rules suck. I was just being silly.

 

[BlanquiNegro]

The Jews were there first. It is absolutely certain that it was Jewish in the ancient, Roman times. They're not the ones ignoring history. I don't know why people keep on doing this, but there have been Jews in Israel throughout history. But if only recent years count, why arbitrarily stop in 1948? We could stop in 2005 as well. That way one could argue that the Jews have been there for over 50 years, so the land must be theirs.

Well for your knwoledge
The whole world was Jew before Jesus and thats mean they were every where and that doesnt mean that the whole world is their own property

They were in saudia arabia and in every inch of the Islamic land
will this give them the historical rights to call that part of the world their owns?

Again and again
Talk only about what you know
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine

Its Palestine , not Israel

 

[BlanquiNegro]

Says the UN.

Look. I don't know who you are. All I know you're some government official. But I don't care. I don't get this from the media, even though they'd be correct. The United Nations Human Rights Council says Iran are guilty.

THE UN! The biggest and most important international organisation in the world.

Calling me a government official is just redicolous

UN issue again
We all know that they are after the Islamic countries
And we all know that its just apart of the Anti-Islamic forces
And its the biggest joke in the mankind's history

Please don't rise the UN issue again
be rational

 

[Alen]

Well for your knwoledge
The whole world was Jew before Jesus and thats mean they were every where and that doesnt mean that the whole world is their own property

They were in saudia arabia and in every inch of the Islamic land
will this give them the historical rights to call that part of the world their owns?

Again and again
Talk only about what you know
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine

Its Palestine , not Israel

But when did the "Islamic land" become an Islamic land and why should we consider it to be Islamic land.
How about, lets say, Turkey?

Seven made a good point, why stop in 1948? If you answer my question about Turkey you'll understand what seven wanted to say.

 

[BlanquiNegro]

That doesn't make any sense my man.

Asking to prove what you are saying is not making any sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It doesn't make any sense

 

[CheSchifo!]

Well for your knwoledge
The whole world was Jew before Jesus and thats mean they were every where and that doesnt mean that the whole world is their own property

They were in saudia arabia and in every inch of the Islamic land
will this give them the historical rights to call that part of the world their owns?

Again and again
Talk only about what you know
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine

Its Palestine , not Israel

So the Palestinians are entitled to the land because they have been there before, but the Jews are not because they've been there before?

That's not right.

Calling me a government official is just redicolous

UN issue again
We all know that they are after the Islamic countries
And we all know that its just apart of the Anti-Islamic forces
And its the biggest joke in the mankind's history

Please don't rise the UN issue again
be rational

The Islamic countries are IN the UN. Dear god, this is just insane. It's as if I'm debating international politics with a monkey. What am I thinking?

Also, the UN is a joke, but you want human rights to be applied in Palestina? That's strange. You know who constructed those human rights?
So you're asking an organisation for help because of certain principles that organisation uses, but at the same time you say that the entire organisation is a joke.

 

[Enron]

Asking to prove what you are saying is not making any sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It doesn't make any sense

Not the way you said it. You said prove what to way, but don't use your media.

 

[Vinman]

That is what they call themselves.
There is nothing called Islamic countries - %100 agree

ask Hoori about that one....

The Jews were there first. It is absolutely certain that it was Jewish in the ancient, Roman times. They're not the ones ignoring history. I don't know why people keep on doing this, but there have been Jews in Israel throughout history. But if only recent years count, why arbitrarily stop in 1948? We could stop in 2005 as well. That way one could argue that the Jews have been there for over 50 years, so the land must be theirs.

Seven is correct

 

[Bjerknes]

You don't seem to know what the UN actually is. Do you know how it is organised? How it makes decisions? It might not be perfect, but it isn't possible to find a more objective opinion. If the UN says that Iran violates basic human rights, we have to accept that as fact.

And if the UN doesn't say Israel commits war crimes, do we have to accept that as a fact as well?

This bureaucratic bullshit is partly why we have so many problems in this world. The UN isn't an objective organization whatsoever.

 

[CheSchifo!]

And if the UN doesn't say Israel commits war crimes, do we have to accept that as a fact as well?

This bureaucratic bullshit is partly why we have so many problems in this world. The UN isn't an objective organization whatsoever.

The UN has already stated that Israel has committed human rights violations. Perhaps they have not yet stated that they have ignored international humanitarian law as well, but who really cares? The UN have already said that the conduct of Israel is not acceptable.

The UN is the most objective organisation in international politics, Andy. Don't be a fool.

 

[BlanquiNegro]

But when did the "Islamic land" become an Islamic land and why should we consider it to be Islamic land.
How about, lets say, Turkey?

Seven made a good point, why stop in 1948? If you answer my question about Turkey you'll understand what seven wanted to say.

The Islamic land became Islamic when the ppl of that land choose the Islam
The land follows its own original ppl
when they say its christian then it is christian
and when they choose Islam then it is Islamic
and same goes for every religion or origin

But calling Israel Israel when we all know that the majority of the original ppl are Arabs "Palestinian" is not the same issue

Israel as a state doesn't have a historical roots and it didn't even exist before 1916 as an idea and 1948 as a real thing

Israelis as a ppl are there since the beginning , I know that
but so the others and its up to the ppl choose then
They have the right to change from Jew to Christian
and the right to change from Christian to Muslims or any other religions and so the land they live on and own,it will follow them as simple as that

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Today Al-Jazeera broadcast a video of a Palestinian kid who lost his eyes when a phosphorus Israeli bomb exploded next to him... and by lost his eyes I mean literally he lost his both eyes.

Now having watch that I would like to FUCK all the logic, discussion, human rights of a world having two opinions on such case.

 

[JCK]

This thread is tedious.

 

[swag]

But when did the "Islamic land" become an Islamic land and why should we consider it to be Islamic land.
How about, lets say, Turkey?

Seven made a good point, why stop in 1948? If you answer my question about Turkey you'll understand what seven wanted to say.

OMG. It's only January and it sounds like I've already agreed with Seven on something.

Historical land entitlements in any form are based on an egotistical myopia. Go back far enough in time, and ethnicities of the inhabitants change, their religions change, and entire islands and plains and even continents are born and die.

History only seems to go as far back as is socially convenient.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

I'd like to add the last 87 pages of this thread to my FUCK list.

 

[BlanquiNegro]

Not the way you said it. You said prove what to way, but don't use your media.

Off course i will
because simply i can tell you that my media is saying so and so and i believe it
this is not the way it should be

we all know that most of the medias are not a pure media sides
fully influenced by the politicians and we all know that there are no liars bigger than those politic bastards
I remember what CNN and other american medias were saying about Iraqi's massive, nuclear,chfemical and biological weapons
and what happened then?

 

[CheSchifo!]

Human rights in Iran do not exist. Get over it. This isn't about the media.

Why are you so keen to prove that they do anyway? They originate from the US, an organisation you think of as ridiculous.

 

[DelpieroForLife]

Human rights in Iran do not exist. Get over it. This isn't about the media.

So what? Why do you give a damn about their own fucking human rights.