Israeli-Palestinian conflict (78 Viewers)

[GordoDeCentral]

Off topic... but possibly necessary for greater understanding of the subject matter.

Does everyone here know the difference between a rocket and a missile?

range and accuracy

 

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[Alen]

in cyprus if you piss on the occupied area on the borders you get shot by border guards.

What the fuck could you know about Cyprus? Seriously, tell me right now in 2 sentences what do you know about Cyprus.

 

[Bjerknes]

why is the child expecting a bunch of flowers?

in cyprus if you piss on the occupied area on the borders you get shot by border guards.

I'm speechless. I really am.

It's stuff such as this where you realize there really is no God.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

now i know for a fact you re a liar, you never been to israel

and hong kong is still not a country china boy

lol and you are sure of that how? outside the conflict, Israel is a beautiful country and one i think all should visit sometime in their life

 

[Enron]

range and accuracy

Somewhat. Missiles have guidance systems and rockets generally do not.

Some rockets have a pretty decent range though.

 

[Bjerknes]

Has nothing to do about Cyprus, but just his logic, which is the same frightening propaganda that the IDF uses to kill whomever they want. It's really scary stuff. I don't know how a people who went through the Holocaust can justify doing similar things to other people. It's unbelievable.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

What the fuck could you know about Cyprus? Seriously, tell me right now in 2 sentences what do you know about Cyprus.

maybe you should go sometime and find out how protective the occupying force are of their borders

 

[jukazem]

For an aggressor there is nothing more scary, that one can expect from a human in terms of vengence, than taking the innocence from a child by killing their parents.
I guess that's why Israel are killing the children instead of the parents, and defining them as terrorists. Brutal!

 

[ReBeL]

Has nothing to do about Cyprus, but just his logic, which is the same frightening propaganda that the IDF uses to kill whomever they want. It's really scary stuff. I don't know how a people who went through the Holocaust can justify doing similar things to other people. It's unbelievable.

You know his ancestors were manufacturing rulers and rubbers in one of Shanghai factories while the holocaust was going on. right?

 

[Alen]

Reb you're being just like him now.

 

[ReBeL]

maybe you should go sometime and find out how protective the occupying force are of their borders

What has this anything to do with this thread?

 

[Alen]

maybe you should go sometime and find out how protective the occupying force are of their borders

I know all about it actually, but i wondered what do you know.

 

[ReBeL]

Reb you're being just like him now.

What do you want me to say against somebody lying all the time?

 

[Badass J Elkann]

I know all about it actually, but i wondered what do you know.

not to piss,taunt or provoke soldiers on occupied border guards if you treasure your own life.

 

[Bjerknes]

Staunch conservative Republican writer I knew in school who adores the Bush Doctrine.

Now in the second week of a tremendous campaign against the terrorist group Hamas, Israeli military forces have cut Gaza in half. At the UN, the United States –with backing from President Bush –blocked a UN resolution that would have demanded a ceasefire on the part of Israel. President Bush has done well with the move.

The attempted –and subsequently failed –passage of the resolution brings to light several important points about the inadequacy of the UN and the failure to grasp the reality of the Israeli situation.

First, the UN continues to prescribe the wrong antidotes to the terrorist problems Israel constantly faces. It continues to demand cessions from Israel and peace on the part of Israel, not on the part of Muslim fanatics and terrorists. Israel’s President Shimon Peres recently wondered aloud how Israel could attempt any sort of truce if terrorists continued to fight them.

Second, what does the UN hope to gain by declaring a ceasefire? Peace, unfortunately, must sometimes come behind the barrel of a gun. Every peace agreement ever reached has been broken by Muslim terrorists, not by the Israelis. Decades of informal truces and peace agreements have led to nothing except extensions of hostilities. Israel has had enough. Let Israel cripple –or hopefully nearly obliterate –Hamas. It will be one less problem for Israel, and one less terrorist organization in the world.

Third, the move for a ceasefire by the UN betrays the rights of individual nations. Individual nations are, under international laws and natural rights of states, entitled to self-defense with or without international approval. The defensive conflict Israel has committed to is legal. Israel is seeking to protect its citizens and its integrity by eliminating –or dramatically subduing –a threat.

Fourth, the animosity many members of the UN display towards Israel –and the genuine lack of concern on the part of others –also betrays the principles of the UN to come to the aid of suffering nations. Israel has been the victim of relentless terrorist attacks and military offensives for more than sixty years, and not once has the UN committed to a full scale defense of Israel. Individual nations –such as the United States and England –have committed to the defense of Israel indirectly at least. Animosity from members of the UN should not be directed towards the suffering Israelis, but towards the aggressive terrorists and anti-Israel movements that are the result of widespread violence and innocent civilian deaths.

Fifth, the UN fails to recognize Hamas as a terrorist group committed to the destruction of Israel. The firing of rockets randomly into Israel hoping to strike home regardless as to whom or what is being hit, and the embedding of civilians into militant and terrorist enclaves to provide human shields reveals the stark immorality of Hamas.

Sixth, the UN does not recognize that Israel is one of the most committed countries to the War on Terror in addition to the United States, Great Britain, Australia, Poland, Japan, and recently many Eastern European members in addition to others throughout the world. Israel has been battling terrorism for decades, and has every right to stamp terrorists out.

Given the situation, the United States should volunteer, at the very least, financial support to Israel in its current operation. It should also volunteer air support if needed, although thus far it appears Israel has the situation well under control. The United States has already declared its diplomatic support in blocking a UN resolution demanding a ceasefire, and it should continue to diplomatically support Israel.

A final piece of information: As of today, Lebanese terrorists began launching rockets into Israel. Israel has already sustained more than 3,000 rocket attacks this past year alone from Hamas and terrorists in Gaza, and now Lebanese terrorists may be making their move. Lebanon has not been invaded and is not defending itself. It has launched an offensive against Israel, further proof that Israel is not the aggressor, nor is Israel the offender. Israel is indeed the lone defender in that area of the Middle East, and our truest friend there. Israel must be allowed to defend itself, and aid must be supplied if requested.

 

[Bjerknes]

To be fair, there are some young Jews in Israel who do not agree with what the IDF is doing and they refuse to serve for them.

It really seems like those who don't live in Israel are more in favor of attacking Gaza than those citizens inside the country.

I think that says a lot.

 

[BlanquiNegro]

elected by those who want to continue the conflict, Hamas are clearly not interested in any form of a peace deal.

Why should be a peace deal in the first place?
They have there own land occupied by Israel and the have the all rights to defend that
and by the way its the only occupation (in addition to Iraq by USA) in the whole world

And even when the weak Arabic presidents picked the peace way what has changed?
nothing
Israel still occupying part of south Lebanon (mazare3 shebaa)
Part of Syria (aljolan heights)
and Palestine

If you are interesting to know who is right and who is wrong look at the PPL in the whole world, protests against Israel every where and not a single one supporting them or against Palestinians or hamas
Don't tell me UN and security council, they represents the ugly side of the truth in there interpretations and perceptions

which peace u r talking about
Occupation
Massacre over the last 60 years
to name the majors:
1-Gana in Lebanon
2-Sabra and shatela
3-Jenin
4-Lebanon invasion in 1982
5-last but not the least , Gaza

before talking about peace know exactly what kind of history Israel had with the Arab's world

may be this link will clarify it more
http://www.geocities.com/savepalestinenow/unresolutions/studyguide/sgunres1e.html

To know what is the problem
just have a look at Israel's neighbours
different in every single means
different religion
different culture
different language
absoulutely nothing to share

they are there because the western world wanted to get rid of them and thats why they are supporting them in every means to just keep them away from there own world

WTF are they doing there?

 

[BlanquiNegro]

To be fair, there are some young Jews in Israel who do not agree with what the IDF is doing and they refuse to serve for them.

It really seems like those who don't live in Israel are more in favor of attacking Gaza than those citizens inside the country.

I think that says a lot.

Offcourse there are
We heared about the Israeli fighter pilots who refused to follow the military orders and thats happened directly after they realised that the targets handled to them by there commands were not a military ones and nothing but kids and women.

 

[Bjerknes]

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
-Joseph Goebbels

 

[Osman]

So many pages since yesterday in this thread, simple because so many of have you actually bothered to take Badass devil seriously, why the fuck for? What a waste of time.


And btw, scusi if has been mentionned, but who shot rockets from southern Libanon? I hope they dont open that front too. Enough massacre in one place already, dont want things to escalate even more.