Israeli-Palestinian conflict (63 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

  • Yes

  • No


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Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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If that's what he meant then you're the second one, after Aaron, "accused" to be a Jew.

It does look to me as if he's implying that whoever has a different opinion and isn't attacking the Jews for everything bad that is happening in the world, must be a Jew himself.
That's really fucked up.
Rhizoid accused me of being a Jew and promised my destruction by Hezbolah. I found it to be humorous since I was raised Catholic and Unitarian, though I no longer claim a denomination.
 

Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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Nothing to hide and nothing to be afraid of
I HATE ISRAEL
I WANT TO SEE THEM WIPED FROM THE EARTH SURFACE AND UNDERGROUND IF POSSIBLE

You think when an arabic commentator avoids saying Legro name because he wishes peace upon Israel is a hate message
What a sensitive feelings you have Jew

Occupation is not a hate message
Slaughtering is not
Putting millions under siege and ask them to just die is not
Using forbidden weapons against civilians is not
Killing more than 1000 and injuring more than 4000 is not
Intentionaly targeting kids and women is not
Refusing the returns right is not

And yes you are just one of them
Justifying what Israel is doing for the last 60 years makes you of them
Denying genocide in palestine makes you one of them
Not feeling the pain when seeing an innocent child intentionally killed by a dirty Israeli snipers just because he is arabic and still living in his own homeland makes you one them

You are one of them

No doubts
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Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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Consistency is key of course, but you're confusing things a bit here, media is to be impartial in its reporting(western media fails miserably here) as opposed to a member of an internet forum. The real alarming fact is this lack of partiality is not due to incompetence but rather a well threaded agenda.
As for your last point, bias in itself is not negative; if anything one should always be biased to whats true and morally good.
I'm not as confused as you think. Maybe I misworded my explanation. Media in it's essance is to be as impartial as humanly possibly. Internet forum poster don't need to be. I understand all that.

Western media does have an agenda, but what's to say eastern media doesn't have their own agenda as well? Whether they do or don't is beside the point. We as readers understand (or should) that media is slanted depending on location, demographic, religious or government affiliation etc. Perhaps there needs to be more regulation of media, especially in the west but that's a discussion for another thread.

Bias isn't negative if it biased toward truth and moral goodness. That could be true, if a person's beliefs reflect truth and moral goodness for everyone. But they don't, people believe what they want to believe.
 
Mar 3, 2008
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I feel his pain though. It's hard to act normally and not to lose your mind. It's easier for outsiders like you and me, but not for the Palestinians or the other Arabs.
Exactly.

Me as a Palestinian, I want my pre 1948 land back. Give me that and I don't care about any jew. I hate Israelis because they are living in my place but I don't hate jews.
 

BlanquiNegro

Senior Member
Mar 28, 2006
949
If that's what he meant then you're the second one, after Aaron, "accused" to be a Jew.

It does look to me as if he's implying that whoever has a different opinion and isn't attacking the Jews for everything bad that is happening in the world, must be a Jew himself.
That's really fucked up.
I didn't accuse anyone else dear
check my posts
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,154
I don't know why Andy and ReBeL keep on saying the UN didn't say that. They obviously did. I think they're confusing the opinion of the UN with the sanctions the UN may or may not apply. It is obvious that the UN right now is just very, very cautious and slow and is wary of imposing rules that might prove to be wrong in the future. A stronger response is necessary, I agree, but I find the reaction time they need understandable.

What's dangerous about Andy here, is that he's a reasonable and intelligent person who is using the very phrases Adolf Hitler was using over 60 years ago. "Jewish conspiracy", "domination", "they have all important functions"... I'm not saying you're a Nazi, Andy, I'm just saying that you should be aware of the fact that someone claimed these things before. And I'm not sure that you would want to be associated with that man.
Yes yes, I'm just another Nazi-sympathizer who hates Jews.

You've lost the plot already.
 

BlanquiNegro

Senior Member
Mar 28, 2006
949
I feel his pain though. It's hard to act normally and not to lose your mind. It's easier for outsiders like you and me, but not for the Palestinians or the other Arabs.
As a Muslim
As an Arabic
As a guy one of his best friends lost his brother in this coflict and he was 16 only
And

As a father of 3 kids
Trust me you can't feel it unless you have kids

Yes its easier for non-muslims and non-arabic to feel how deep is the pain

I can't be neutral to be smart in the others opinion
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,154
I've read it since before the massacre. And they cover more of Gaza because from their perspective, it's the most important thing going on right now. CNN, for instance, is an American media source which has a lot more to cover right now other than the Gaza conflict, with all that is going on domestically. It's a sad truth, but it doesn't mean Al Jazeera is any more objective than anyone else.
That's true, but in reality Al Jazeera English IS more objective than all the media outlets I have seen on this issue, except perhaps the BBC. Al Jazeera English presents both points of views, interviews a fair number of people from both sides of the street, and presents the matter as it is. Whether or not our media has other matters to worry about (that shouldn't be an excuse) doesn't matter, as they should still present both sides, but they don't. And that's why the sheeople are always fooled by it.

What we have to do is gather all the info from all the sources we can and base our opinions accordingly, sifting through bullshit.

On a related matter, it's really laughable how MSNBC uses Obama's "Change" slogan to advertise their programs. The channel was basically an Obama cheerleader, which is somewhat scary. People are in a daze and can't think things through clearly because of it.

On another note, probably somewhat off topic, but equally disturbing. It's really difficult to prove genocide until it has already occurred. When you think of all the recent cases: Rawanda, Darfur, the Balkan tragedy, no one really knew what was going on until the smoke ended. And in Darfur no one still wants to do much about it.
There you go. It is indeed hard to prove a genocide, but numbers do speak for themselves sometimes. Using white phosphorus for instance in an urban area is like walking into a mall blindfolded with an AK. The bullets are blind.
 

Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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That's true, but in reality Al Jazeera English IS more objective than all the media outlets I have seen on this issue, except perhaps the BBC. Al Jazeera English presents both points of views, interviews a fair number of people from both sides of the street, and presents the matter as it is. Whether or not our media has other matters to worry about (that shouldn't be an excuse) doesn't matter, as they should still present both sides, but they don't. And that's why the sheeople are always fooled by it.

What we have to do is gather all the info from all the sources we can and base our opinions accordingly, sifting through bullshit.

On a related matter, it's really laughable how MSNBC uses Obama's "Change" slogan to advertise their programs. The channel was basically an Obama cheerleader, which is somewhat scary. People are in a daze and can't think things through clearly because of it.



There you go. It is indeed hard to prove a genocide, but numbers do speak for themselves sometimes. Using white phosphorus for instance in an urban area is like walking into a mall blindfolded with an AK. The bullets are blind.
Al Jazeera's election coverage was very well done.

I don't have a television in my room so I haven't been watching much news. Have had to resort to the ancient method of reading. So I haven't seen much televised news at all.:D

A lot of people don't realize something about these "white phosphorous" explosives. Phosphorous makes the explosives much more efficient, you know they burn hotter, etc, I think most people get that. Phosphorous weapons have been in use since at least WWII. Which is kind of sad considering the issue is only just now becoming seriously looked at.
 

CheSchifo!

Senior Member
Jan 11, 2009
642
Honestly, Andries, I have no idea what sort of twisted argument you're using, but if the IDF commits war crimes, then they commit war crimes. This is the whole purpose of the thread. If other nations commit war crimes it's really not on topic.

Our leaders should be tried for war crimes, but I don't go on about that in here.
Look,

I can only say it so many times.

Yes, Israel do commit war crimes.

Yes, they should be brought to justice.

How many times do I have to say it, before you get it?
 

CheSchifo!

Senior Member
Jan 11, 2009
642
Yes yes, I'm just another Nazi-sympathizer who hates Jews.

You've lost the plot already.
I specifically stated in that very post that I thought you weren't.

Man, there should be a rule against intentionally misunderstanding posts on this forum. Why are you deliberately missing the point, Andy?

What I said was that you used the very same phrases, the very same ideas even, that Adolf Hitler proposed back before WWII.

My question was if you were willing to do that. But I guess you are.
 

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