Israeli-Palestinian conflict (105 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

A genocide is the massive killing of a people with the purpose of erasing them. In this case people are fighting over land. No matter how you twist the subject, it's about the land. Even if they'd kill all Palestinians, it would still be hard to claim it was a genocide.

Prove that this situation is about the land then.

Israel has enough land, so why would they block goods into the Gaza Strip when it's such a small square mileage? And don't tell me that Hamas broke the cease fire.

The death tolls of women and children allude to a silent genocide. If it doesn't, then justify the death tolls, and do not use the Israeli propaganda as a source as it was confirmed that many of the buildings bombed contained no Hamas members whatsoever, according to your UN.

Tell me what it is exactly.

 

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[CheSchifo!]

As long as these courts are based on "Western values", I know what you mean.

Anyway, what happened in your exam?

I still have to go. Two hours left .

To be honest I don't think the question about a possible genocide is important right now. It would be very difficult to prove that Israel set out with the intent to systematically destroy Palestinians. But their blatant violations of both human rights and international humanitarian law should suffice for a stronger international response.

 

[ReBeL]

Andy, Israel has just sent an official complaint to UN about the rockets from South Lebanon.

Exactly, they just want to appear targeted by Lebanese people to justify the next invasion to Lebanon.

 

[Bjerknes]

Look, the entire situation is an international tragedy, no doubt about that. But it's a wee bit early to accuse Israel of a genocide. There is no way that claim can stand in a court of justice.

But Israel commits war crimes, but apparently is allowed to do so.

So what sort of objectivity do you claim to have when this happens?

 

[CheSchifo!]

Prove that this situation is about the land then.

Israel has enough land, so why would they block goods into the Gaza Strip when it's such a small square mileage? And don't tell me that Hamas broke the cease fire.

The death tolls of women and children allude to a silent genocide. If it doesn't, then justify the death tolls, and do not use the Israeli propaganda as a source as it was confirmed that many of the buildings bombed contained no Hamas members whatsoever, according to your UN.

Tell me what it is exactly.

The burden of evidence isn't on me here. I don't have to prove that Israel isn't guilty of genocide. You have to prove that they are and all I'm saying is that it would be so so difficult to do so (as this really isn't a genocide), that it's better to concentrate on other Israeli crimes.

 

[Snoop]

why is seven not banned yet

for what? being on the other side of the argument? I don't like his attitude in general, but the way he is arguing now with patience against all the insults and silly arguments is surprising to be honest.

 

[CheSchifo!]

But Israel commits war crimes, but apparently is allowed to do so.

So what sort of objectivity do you claim to have when this happens?

Israel has been condemned several times. Just like Iran has been condemned several times. You can't expect UN troops to come marching in just like that. The UN, like you said, is an extremely slow organisation.

 

[Bjerknes]

I still have to go. Two hours left .

To be honest I don't think the question about a possible genocide is important right now. It would be very difficult to prove that Israel set out with the intent to systematically destroy Palestinians. But their blatant violations of both human rights and international humanitarian law should suffice for a stronger international response.

The difficulty "to prove" what Israel is doing works into their favor. That's why they run the campaign they do. It's difficult to figure out what they're doing as they control everything in Gaza already.

 

[CheSchifo!]

The difficulty "to prove" what Israel is doing works into their favor. That's why they run the campaign they do. It's difficult to figure out what they're doing as they control everything in Gaza already.

Well yes, but it's like that in every war situation, Andy. That's why it's always so difficult to bring war criminals to justice.

 

[ReBeL]

Israel has been condemned several times. Just like Iran has been condemned several times. You can't expect UN troops to come marching in just like that. The UN, like you said, is an extremely slow organisation.

Actually "useless" is the word that should be used IMO instead of "slow". You can't tell me they didn't apply the resolutions of Security Council since 60 years just because they are slow.

 

[Bjerknes]

Israel has been condemned several times. Just like Iran has been condemned several times. You can't expect UN troops to come marching in just like that. The UN, like you said, is an extremely slow organisation.

Well, then there you have it. The UN is a bullshit organization. If a country commits war crimes but no sanctions are placed upon them, they are above the law, meaning they can do whatever they want. So they might as well continue doing so.

I respect the law, but I do not respect organizations that try to work around it. Either hold Israel accountable for war crimes or allow Hamas to fire as many missiles into that country as they want, killing whomever they want. There are no two ways about it. For the weapons Israel has, people should support Hamas then.

 

[ReBeL]

Either hold Israel accountable for war crimes or allow Hamas to fire as many missiles into that country as they want, killing whomever they want.

Exactly.

Double standards are not accepted by an organization that claims to respect & apply humanity.

 

[Bjerknes]

The general media is reporting this as if it's a war between equals, even the BBC. This is not accepting and people don't know what they're talking about.

 

[icemaη]

The general media is reporting this as if it's a war between equals, even the BBC. This is not accepting and people don't know what they're talking about.

Obviously its between equals.. thats why the death toll is similar on both sides...

Edit: Why is the useless poll still on there? It has nothing to do with the purpose of this thread...

 

[CheSchifo!]

Actually "useless" is the word that should be used IMO instead of "slow". You can't tell me they didn't apply the resolutions of Security Council since 60 years just because they are slow.

Not quite true, but it's too difficult to go into that.

Well, then there you have it. The UN is a bullshit organization. If a country commits war crimes but no sanctions are placed upon them, they are above the law, meaning they can do whatever they want. So they might as well continue doing so.

I respect the law, but I do not respect organizations that try to work around it. Either hold Israel accountable for war crimes or allow Hamas to fire as many missiles into that country as they want, killing whomever they want. There are no two ways about it. For the weapons Israel has, people should support Hamas then.

The UN have already said Israel is accountable for war crimes. Read the paper, Andy.

What you want is sanctions. I want them too, but I doubt that it's wise that an organisation such as the UN acts without any form of caution. You can't expect them to just put an army there right away. That's not how the UN works.

Exactly.

Double standards are not accepted by an organization that claims to respect & apply humanity.

There are no double standards. The US, Iran and Israel have all been found guilty. Again, read the documents, read the papers. And again, ReBeL, if you don't respect the UN, then why are you so on about human rights? I mean, it's every man for himself, right?

The general media is reporting this as if it's a war between equals, even the BBC. This is not accepting and people don't know what they're talking about.

The general media is not, at least not in Belgium. Over here they're reporting it as slaughter.

 

[Il Re]

Not quite true, but it's too difficult to go into that.



The UN have already said Israel is accountable for war crimes. Read the paper, Andy.

What you want is sanctions. I want them too, but I doubt that it's wise that an organisation such as the UN acts without any form of caution. You can't expect them to just put an army there right away. That's not how the UN works.



There are no double standards. The US, Iran and Israel have all been found guilty. Again, read the documents, read the papers. And again, ReBeL, if you don't respect the UN, then why are you so on about human rights? I mean, it's every man for himself, right?



The general media is not, at least not in Belgium. Over here they're reporting it as slaughter.

yea that's true, i don't think they will do much about it though

from what i hear, the un is against israels actions generally

 

[CheSchifo!]

yea that's true, i don't think they will do much about it though

from what i hear, the un is against israels actions generally

I don't know why Andy and ReBeL keep on saying the UN didn't say that. They obviously did. I think they're confusing the opinion of the UN with the sanctions the UN may or may not apply. It is obvious that the UN right now is just very, very cautious and slow and is wary of imposing rules that might prove to be wrong in the future. A stronger response is necessary, I agree, but I find the reaction time they need understandable.

What's dangerous about Andy here, is that he's a reasonable and intelligent person who is using the very phrases Adolf Hitler was using over 60 years ago. "Jewish conspiracy", "domination", "they have all important functions"... I'm not saying you're a Nazi, Andy, I'm just saying that you should be aware of the fact that someone claimed these things before. And I'm not sure that you would want to be associated with that man.

 

[ReBeL]

I don't know why Andy and ReBeL keep on saying the UN didn't say that. They obviously did. I think they're confusing the opinion of the UN with the sanctions the UN may or may not apply. It is obvious that the UN right now is just very, very cautious and slow and is wary of imposing rules that might prove to be wrong in the future. A stronger response is necessary, I agree, but I find the reaction time they need understandable.

What's dangerous about Andy here, is that he's a reasonable and intelligent person who is using the very phrases Adolf Hitler was using over 60 years ago. "Jewish conspiracy", "domination", "they have all important functions"... I'm not saying you're a Nazi, Andy, I'm just saying that you should be aware of the fact that someone claimed these things before. And I'm not sure that you would want to be associated with that man.

First, look back who raised the UN thing. It is not me for sure, as I always saw it as a toy used by Western countries to affect other countries and control them. I never rated it as something that could be useful for the humanity but rather a tool for imperialism and colonialism. So, I didn't expect anything good out of that stupid organization.

For the second part of your post, I loved how you are trying to scare Andy just because he has some opposing opinion to yours. Are you afraid that much to be rated Anti-semitic person just because you condemn what Israel does in Palestine? Is that healthy thing to keep silent regarding the tragedies over there just because you don't want others to think of you as somebody who doesn't like what the Israelis do?

 

[Eddy]

It's not a genocide but it's definitely a slow cultural genocide. These people are losing their identities.

 

[Rhizoid]

What are we now, Day 17? And the Arab world still watches.

A Norweigian doctor from "Medecins sans Frontiers" organization said on TV that he'd treated wounded people in Iraq, Afghanistan, South Lebanon, Africa...but what he saw in Gaza was the most shocking injuries and disfigurements he'd ever seen in his life.

Israel's actions are beyond disgusting. Tzipi Livni that fucking bitch, Gaby Ashkenazi, Ehud Olmert.......all of them are the real terrorists.

The Arabs are only afraid of their seats. Hosni Mubarak, I don't know what he's so afraid of. You're gonna croak sometime soon, do one last thing, and be remembered for it...open the Rafah gates and allow medical aid.

Seriously? I'm starting to hope Hezballah gets involved.