Israeli-Palestinian conflict (95 Viewers)
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Lol, now i read that maybe he wasn't involved :
Furious protests erupted across the Arab world, claiming that the targets had had nothing to do with Munich – and it appears that these claims were at least partly true.
‘A terrorist is a terrorist …’
The Beirut raid was a turning point. What had started as Golda Meir’s revenge against those behind the Munich massacre had become a general campaign against all militant Palestinians.
According to historian and journalist Aaron Klein, ‘A very senior officer [of Mossad] said: “A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist. We don’t check too much if he was or wasn’t involved. It’s not important that he was involved deeply in the Munich massacre or he wasn’t. If he didn’t do it yesterday. he’ll do it tomorrow. He’s a terrorist.”’
Furious protests erupted across the Arab world, claiming that the targets had had nothing to do with Munich – and it appears that these claims were at least partly true.
‘A terrorist is a terrorist …’
The Beirut raid was a turning point. What had started as Golda Meir’s revenge against those behind the Munich massacre had become a general campaign against all militant Palestinians.
According to historian and journalist Aaron Klein, ‘A very senior officer [of Mossad] said: “A terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist. We don’t check too much if he was or wasn’t involved. It’s not important that he was involved deeply in the Munich massacre or he wasn’t. If he didn’t do it yesterday. he’ll do it tomorrow. He’s a terrorist.”’
Palestinian resistance movements have always said they killed and injured Israelis, but Israel doesn't want to show them to public. Even, Kataeb Al-Aqsa that follows Fateh said today that one of its martyr bombers, called Ahmad Bawadi, exploded himself with 18 Israelis in Gaza and that there are 12 killed soldiers for sure. Israel didn't say anything.
Two special events happened today:
1-Israel killed two palestinians in the West Bank, one in Qalqilia, and one in Hebron. Abbas police could hit and control the angry people in the West bank so far, but if the killing continues in the West Bank, I don't think Abbas police will be able to do anything to stop another Intefada there.
2-Egypt and Saudi Arabia refused the invitation of Qatar for a new Arab summit next Friday. Only 13 Arab countries have approved to be in the summit so far. The required number is 14. Egypt and Saudi Arabia regimes are participating in the massacres of Gaza.
1-Israel killed two palestinians in the West Bank, one in Qalqilia, and one in Hebron. Abbas police could hit and control the angry people in the West bank so far, but if the killing continues in the West Bank, I don't think Abbas police will be able to do anything to stop another Intefada there.
2-Egypt and Saudi Arabia refused the invitation of Qatar for a new Arab summit next Friday. Only 13 Arab countries have approved to be in the summit so far. The required number is 14. Egypt and Saudi Arabia regimes are participating in the massacres of Gaza.
Gazans seek new places to bury the dead
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – One family buried a slain son over his grandfather. Another bundled up the tiny bodies of three young cousins and lowered them into the grave of a long-dead aunt. A man was laid to rest with his brother.
More than two weeks into the Israeli offensive that has killed more than 940 Palestinians, Gazans are struggling to find places to bury their dead. Cemeteries throughout Gaza City that were closed for new burials have now reopened.
"Gaza is all a graveyard," gravedigger Salman Omar said Tuesday as he shoveled earth in Gaza City's crammed Sheik Radwan cemetery, a cigarette dangling from his lips.
Just six miles wide and 25 miles long, Gaza has always suffered from a shortage of burial space. But Gazans say Israel's shelling and ground offensive have made it impossible for residents to reach Martyrs Cemetery — the only graveyard in the area with space to dig fresh graves.
The offensive is aimed at crushing the militant group Hamas and ending its rocket attacks on southern Israel. But Palestinian medical officials say roughly half the dead are civilians.
Among them are the Samouni cousins, 5-month-old Mohammed, 1-year-old Mutasim and 2-year-old Ahmed, whose family hurriedly dug up the grave of an aunt to lay them to rest last week.
"We buried them quickly," said Iyad Samouni, 26, speaking from al-Awda hospital in Gaza City, where he was being treated for shrapnel wounds. "We were afraid we'd be shelled. My relatives were trying to open other graves to prepare for the other dead, but we didn't get time."
He said the family fled the graveyard after they came under fire from a warplane.
The three boys were killed Jan. 5 in what the family and the United Nations said was an Israeli shelling attack on a house in eastern Gaza where they had evacuated on soldiers' orders to avoid nearby fighting.
Many members of the clan were wiped out. The exact number is unknown — figures vary from 14 to 30 people. Medics believe there are still bodies buried under the rubble that cannot be reached because of fighting in the area.
Israel's military denies the account, but says the house may have come under attack in crossfire with Hamas militants.
At Sheik Radwan on Tuesday, mourners pulled away the slabs of concrete covering the graves of long-deceased relatives, pushed the bones aside and lowered in the newly dead.
"You have a martyr: you need an immediate solution," Omar, 24, said, using the term many Gazans use for Palestinians killed by Israeli fire and referring to Islamic law, which requires the dead be buried as soon as possible.
"You look for where your grandmother, uncle or mother was buried, and bury them there. If there's three or four, bury them in the same grave," he said, drawing on a cigarette as he dug.
Nearby, relatives hammered away at the concrete tomb of Moyhideen Sarhi, killed last May in an Israeli strike against Hamas militants. His brother Kamel, 22, also a Hamas militant, was killed Tuesday.
The family feared approaching Martyrs Cemetery and decided to lay Kamel next to his brother.
"As they were in life they are in death," said their cousin, Salim, 28, as other relatives pushed aside the slab protecting Mohyideen's remains and kissed his shroud before lowering his brother's body on top.
Even the pathways in the hilly cemetery were filled with graves. The older ones had marble slabs, a reminder of more affluent times. Relatives of the newly buried make do with a small tile or a name etched in concrete. For others, there was no name at all, just the tombstone of the relative buried there first.
One family arrived with their 14-year-old son, who they said was killed in an Israeli strike.
A gravedigger approached, asking if the family had a deceased relative whose grave they could reopen. Street children hoping for small change scrambled to look for graves the family could use.
Nearby, men in jeans dug up their grandfather's grave. The loud crashing sound of an airstrike nearby made some of them look up. Their relative, Mohammed Abu Leila, was a militant killed in the fighting.
"I've buried a policeman in his mother's grave," said Omar, the gravedigger. "I buried three brothers in one hole. I buried children with their mothers. You don't ask questions: it's just important to find a place and bury them."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090113/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_palestinians_the_dead
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – One family buried a slain son over his grandfather. Another bundled up the tiny bodies of three young cousins and lowered them into the grave of a long-dead aunt. A man was laid to rest with his brother.
More than two weeks into the Israeli offensive that has killed more than 940 Palestinians, Gazans are struggling to find places to bury their dead. Cemeteries throughout Gaza City that were closed for new burials have now reopened.
"Gaza is all a graveyard," gravedigger Salman Omar said Tuesday as he shoveled earth in Gaza City's crammed Sheik Radwan cemetery, a cigarette dangling from his lips.
Just six miles wide and 25 miles long, Gaza has always suffered from a shortage of burial space. But Gazans say Israel's shelling and ground offensive have made it impossible for residents to reach Martyrs Cemetery — the only graveyard in the area with space to dig fresh graves.
The offensive is aimed at crushing the militant group Hamas and ending its rocket attacks on southern Israel. But Palestinian medical officials say roughly half the dead are civilians.
Among them are the Samouni cousins, 5-month-old Mohammed, 1-year-old Mutasim and 2-year-old Ahmed, whose family hurriedly dug up the grave of an aunt to lay them to rest last week.
"We buried them quickly," said Iyad Samouni, 26, speaking from al-Awda hospital in Gaza City, where he was being treated for shrapnel wounds. "We were afraid we'd be shelled. My relatives were trying to open other graves to prepare for the other dead, but we didn't get time."
He said the family fled the graveyard after they came under fire from a warplane.
The three boys were killed Jan. 5 in what the family and the United Nations said was an Israeli shelling attack on a house in eastern Gaza where they had evacuated on soldiers' orders to avoid nearby fighting.
Many members of the clan were wiped out. The exact number is unknown — figures vary from 14 to 30 people. Medics believe there are still bodies buried under the rubble that cannot be reached because of fighting in the area.
Israel's military denies the account, but says the house may have come under attack in crossfire with Hamas militants.
At Sheik Radwan on Tuesday, mourners pulled away the slabs of concrete covering the graves of long-deceased relatives, pushed the bones aside and lowered in the newly dead.
"You have a martyr: you need an immediate solution," Omar, 24, said, using the term many Gazans use for Palestinians killed by Israeli fire and referring to Islamic law, which requires the dead be buried as soon as possible.
"You look for where your grandmother, uncle or mother was buried, and bury them there. If there's three or four, bury them in the same grave," he said, drawing on a cigarette as he dug.
Nearby, relatives hammered away at the concrete tomb of Moyhideen Sarhi, killed last May in an Israeli strike against Hamas militants. His brother Kamel, 22, also a Hamas militant, was killed Tuesday.
The family feared approaching Martyrs Cemetery and decided to lay Kamel next to his brother.
"As they were in life they are in death," said their cousin, Salim, 28, as other relatives pushed aside the slab protecting Mohyideen's remains and kissed his shroud before lowering his brother's body on top.
Even the pathways in the hilly cemetery were filled with graves. The older ones had marble slabs, a reminder of more affluent times. Relatives of the newly buried make do with a small tile or a name etched in concrete. For others, there was no name at all, just the tombstone of the relative buried there first.
One family arrived with their 14-year-old son, who they said was killed in an Israeli strike.
A gravedigger approached, asking if the family had a deceased relative whose grave they could reopen. Street children hoping for small change scrambled to look for graves the family could use.
Nearby, men in jeans dug up their grandfather's grave. The loud crashing sound of an airstrike nearby made some of them look up. Their relative, Mohammed Abu Leila, was a militant killed in the fighting.
"I've buried a policeman in his mother's grave," said Omar, the gravedigger. "I buried three brothers in one hole. I buried children with their mothers. You don't ask questions: it's just important to find a place and bury them."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090113/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_palestinians_the_dead
i dont have a problem with his opinion except the fact that it's infantile and devoid of any substance; as for his arguing prowess it consists of asking questions with the purpose of having them answered the way he wants it otherwise everyone's against him.
though some posts flirted with and dove in the ridiculous, excuse granted, maybe after all it maybe is you that has a problem with statements and opinions that a lot of people around you dont want to hear no matter how sound and documented they are.
though some posts flirted with and dove in the ridiculous, excuse granted, maybe after all it maybe is you that has a problem with statements and opinions that a lot of people around you dont want to hear no matter how sound and documented they are.
You can't choose. Either you respect the UN and think human rights should be applied everywhere or you don't respect the UN and automatically must assume that human rights don't matter all that much in a war situation.
I have stated time and time again that Israel should be condemned. I have no idea why you keep thinking that I'm defending them.
@Senor: you're not doing any better. Just saying that the ideas I propose are ridiculous, but not being able to respond to them. Pretty poor form.
I have stated time and time again that Israel should be condemned. I have no idea why you keep thinking that I'm defending them.
@Senor: you're not doing any better. Just saying that the ideas I propose are ridiculous, but not being able to respond to them. Pretty poor form.
Honestly, Andries, I have no idea what sort of twisted argument you're using, but if the IDF commits war crimes, then they commit war crimes. This is the whole purpose of the thread. If other nations commit war crimes it's really not on topic.
Our leaders should be tried for war crimes, but I don't go on about that in here.
Our leaders should be tried for war crimes, but I don't go on about that in here.