Israeli-Palestinian conflict (28 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

  • Yes

  • No


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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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ok bro. United Nations reported tourism of 4.1 million people to Iran in 2022. are there 4.1 million foreign prisoners?
https://diplomatie.belgium.be/nl/landen/iran/reizen-naar-iran-reisadvies/laatste-update-iran

https://www.nederlandwereldwijd.nl/reisadvies/iran

https://travel.state.gov/content/tr... Terrorism,caution due to wrongful detentions.

Belgium, the Netherlands, the US all advise against travelling to Iran because of the risk of random arrests and long term unlawful imprisonment.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,189
I'm going to ask you something you do not very often.

Sit down. Think.

Does a country like Belgium have the means to invest in destabilizing another country or region? And if it did, would it send people who were literally arrested the minute they got there?
sit down. think


are you serious right now? are you seriously asking me this question?

are you aware of foreign interference in Canadian and USA elections? you just use the russian trolls to try and devalue my post. you think in this day and age governments can't hire foreigners to them as agents to commit espionage actions?
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,431
sit down. think


are you serious right now? are you seriously asking me this question?

are you aware of foreign interference in Canadian and USA elections? you just use the russian trolls to try and devalue my post. you think in this day and age governments can't hire foreigners to them as agents to commit espionage actions?

Again: you think they'd hire foreigners whose espionage performance is so poor they are arrested as soon as they set foot in Iran? Man, those are some awful spies. And on top of that you have to hand over some Iran terrorist to get your spies back. I'd definitely ask for a refund.

And what's your other hypothesis? That random people decide they want to visit Iran some day and then take pictures of nuclear installations just for kicks? And then they get arrested for being stupid?

Really?

You think either scenario is likely?

There is nothing in Iran that warrants visiting it as a tourist. Nothing. The risk outweighs the benefit by a factor of 1000. You'd have to be an absolute moron to even consider going. Which, I guess, means you're about to hop on a flight to Teheran.
 

Ronn

Senior Member
May 3, 2012
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ok bro. United Nations reported tourism of 4.1 million people to Iran in 2022. are there 4.1 million foreign prisoners?
1- Seven’s statement is true if only one of those 4.1m(!) gets arrested on bs charges, are there certainly much more than one case.
2- Iran arrests a lot of foreign nationals and dual nationals on bs charges every year. They usually all charged with espionage for Israel, yet Israel easily blows up her number 1 enemy in the heart of Tehran. It really takes either malice or below 50 IQ to believe regime’s line.

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I cannot believe someone is willfully putting stuff out there like that.
It’s fun and games until somebody gets fucked. I feel so strongly about this that if I had the power I’d ban him just for this.
And I know people are not stupid to take travel advice on a football forum.

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Again: you think they'd hire foreigners whose espionage performance is so poor they are arrested as soon as they set foot in Iran? Man, those are some awful spies. And on top of that you have to hand over some Iran terrorist to get your spies back. I'd definitely ask for a refund.

And what's your other hypothesis? That random people decide they want to visit Iran some day and then take pictures of nuclear installations just for kicks? And then they get arrested for being stupid?

Really?

You think either scenario is likely?

There is nothing in Iran that warrants visiting it as a tourist. Nothing. The risk outweighs the benefit by a factor of 1000. You'd have to be an absolute moron to even consider going. Which, I guess, means you're about to hop on a flight to Teheran.
A good majority of those tourists are from neighbors countries that go there for religious tourism. They are usually safe. If you’re from Tajikistan you’re not worth much to the IR.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,661
what a a stupid conclusion.

you tried to do a gotcha moment. i called out your shit from someone that has experience visiting the country first hand. and now this is your fall back response.

It's not shit. It's true. They just released two Swedish civilians and 1 Swedish diplomat hostage for no reason other then leverage.


For what you ask? So an iranian war criminal massmurderer who was in Swedish jail could be traded for the swedish civilians. One of who they still are holding despite the trade with the others.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,189
buddy. i am going to blow your mind right now.

iran in prison studies, has on of the lowest foreing prisoners of any country. at 124

belgium
france
norwary
germany
england
usa
austria
switzerland
luxemborg
iceland
italy

all the bastions of western values hold more foreing prisoners than Iran does. your country is vary dangerous to visitors. would not recommend
https://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/foreign-prisoners?field_region_taxonomy_tid=All
 
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Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,661
when you visist a country. you have a duty to understand local laws and whats allowed and what isn't

you have a duty to understand what can get you in trouble and what can't

being a "foreigner" is no excuse

and that applies to every country. many other countries hold foreigners in prison, inlcuding western ones for breaking laws. why is Iran different? the belgians should have done their research.

Bro they routinely jail western dual citizen Persians for NO REASON AT ALL. And hold them til they can use them as leverage down the line. Their only crime being western civilians they can use as pawns to fuck with western government's.


Why pretend like it's all just due process rule of law there? When they routinely abuse that and it's proven?
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,189
It's not shit. It's true. They just released two Swedish civilians and 1 Swedish diplomat hostage for no reason other then leverage.


For what you ask? So an iranian war criminal massmurderer who was in Swedish jail could be traded for the swedish civilians. One of who they still are holding despite the trade with the others.
sweden holds more foreingers prisoners than Iran does

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Bro they routinely jail western dual citizen Persians for NO REASON AT ALL. And hold them til they can use them as leverage down the line. Their only crime being western civilians they can use as pawns to fuck with western government's.


Why pretend like it's a just due process rule of law therr? When they routinely abuse that and it's proven?
I and many others like me are dual citizens and we don't get arrested?

so now what? I am giving you first hand experience and you are going to say I am wrong about MY and many others i know experience?

please go ahead and tell me I imagined it.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
buddy. i am going to blow your mind right now.

iran in prison studies, has on of the lowest foreing prisoners of any country. at 124

belgium
france
norwary
germnay
england
usa
austria
sqitzerland
luxemborg
iceland
italy

all the bastions of western values hold more foreing prisoners than Iran does. your country is vary dangerous to visitors. would not recommend
https://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/foreign-prisoners?field_region_taxonomy_tid=All
Ahh yes. This is because Iran is bastion of freedom and tolerance, has nothing to do with almost no one from the first world travelling to Iran because it is a theocratic dictatorship that hates the west. :lol3:
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,189
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2- Iran arrests a lot of foreign nationals and dual nationals on bs charges every year. They usually all charged with espionage for Israel, yet Israel easily blows up her number 1 enemy in the heart of Tehran. It really takes either malice or below 50 IQ to believe regime’s line.

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what you think intelligence failures don't happen?

didn't USA presidential candidate almost die not a month ago? and that was with the bastions of intelligence and protections of USA guarding him.

what about 9/11? how come that happened? are you now realizing that world isn't black and white and thing don't always work out?

or are you one of those that thinks only iranians can fuck up?
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,615
It’s pretty sad watching pics of Iran in the 70s and how progressive and nice it was. It really turned into a shithole when it had so much potential.

hope they get back to the top soon, so people won’t be scared of visiting anymore.

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I recommend visiting Somalia @Lion , I heard it’s very nice this time of year
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,661
sweden holds more foreingers prisoners than Iran does

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I and many others like me are dual citizens and we don't get arrested?

so now what? I am giving you first hand experience and you are going to say I am wrong about MY and many others i know experience?

please go ahead and tell me I imagined it.

You truly cant be this dense? Just because it doesnt happen to every single one, doesnt mean it doesnt happen at all? Educate yourself please, this is just one case of COUNTLESS of similar examples:


https://www.reuters.com/world/sweden-iran-carry-out-prisoner-swap-officials-say-2024-06-15/


Irans government basically behave like a Mexican Cartel on international level. Kidnapping, hostage holding, blackmail. If that doesn't work, execution.

Give us our massmurderer (or whatever leverage they blackmailing with) and we will give you your civilian diplomat and vacationing citizens we just arrested in the airport terminal for the bargaining value of their passports.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,189
Ahh yes. This is because Iran is bastion of freedom and tolerance, has nothing to do with almost no one from the first world travelling to Iran because it is a theocratic dictatorship that hates the west. :lol3:
so why are there organized tours to iran from england, germany, france and other european countries then?

maybe it's because iran has 127 unesco world heritage sights, or maybe it's because of incredible cheap tourist destinations.

or maybe it's because medical tourism is huge in iran for cosmetic surgery.

not everything is about the government you dunces. i told you my experience and you guys were quick to involve politics in it.

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You truly cant be this dense? Just because it doesnt happen to every single one, doesnt mean it doesnt happen at all? Educate yourself please, this is just one case of COUNTLESS of similar examples:


https://www.reuters.com/world/sweden-iran-carry-out-prisoner-swap-officials-say-2024-06-15/


Irans government basically behave like a Mexican Cartel on international level. Kidnapping, hostage holding, blackmail. If that doesn't work, execution.

Give us our massmurderer (or whatever leverage they blackmailing with) and we will give you your civilian diplomat and vacationing citizens we just arrested in the airport terminal for the bargaining value of their passports.

did you travel to usa?

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I recommend visiting Somalia @Lion , I heard it’s very nice this time of year
thank bro will bring my family there too. probably safer for school kids than usa is.

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You truly cant be this dense? Just because it doesnt happen to every single one, doesnt mean it doesnt happen at all? Educate yourself please, this is just one case of COUNTLESS of similar examples:


https://www.reuters.com/world/sweden-iran-carry-out-prisoner-swap-officials-say-2024-06-15/


Irans government basically behave like a Mexican Cartel on international level. Kidnapping, hostage holding, blackmail. If that doesn't work, execution.

Give us our massmurderer (or whatever leverage they blackmailing with) and we will give you your civilian diplomat and vacationing citizens we just arrested in the airport terminal for the bargaining value of their passports.
you listed one example as reason not to visit.

if i list a drunk driver killing someone as a reason not to drive a car will that stop you from driving?


i keep showing you stats and personal experiences and you guys keep thowing one of two examples here and there.

. i am TELLING you personal experiences and what to do and you guys keep listing general examples.


i don't defend govenrment there. i am telling you guys what to do to avoid trouble and how it's exaggerated what iran does to travelers.
 
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Ronn

Senior Member
May 3, 2012
21,049
what you think intelligence failures don't happen?

didn't USA presidential candidate almost die not a month ago? and that was with the bastions of intelligence and protections of USA guarding him.

what about 9/11? how come that happened? are you now realizing that world isn't black and white and thing don't always work out?

or are you one of those that thinks only iranians can fuck up?
Lol it happens much more frequently in Iran. Also you can’t compare Iran to a western nation where there are certain privacy laws. There’s zero privacy in communications there and yet…
Also Iran does not provide any further information on these supposed acts of espionage which pretty much proves they’re all bs.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
36,189
Lol it happens much more frequently in Iran. Also you can’t compare Iran to a western nation where there are certain privacy laws. There’s zero privacy in communications there and yet…
Also Iran does not provide any further information on these supposed acts of espionage which pretty much proves they’re all bs.
moving goalposts again? you think NSA doesn't filter through everyone's online chatter?

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how come this american visited post ironic. you said NO ONE from western first world goes there due to safety. how come this guy went?

remember you said NO ONE. those were you words not mine.

 

Ronn

Senior Member
May 3, 2012
21,049
moving goalposts again? you think NSA doesn't filter through everyone's online chatter?
Even NSA eavesdropping has limits. Iran’s has none.
Not sure why you bring this up though. Do you seriously believe all those arrested in Iran for espionage are guilty to some extent?
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
Moderator
Apr 14, 2005
71,039
moving goalposts again? you think NSA doesn't filter through everyone's online chatter?

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how come this american visited post ironic. you said NO ONE from western first world goes there due to safety. how come this guy went?

remember you said NO ONE. those were you words not mine.

I agree with you more than i do the others. But iran is a "rogue" state, kinda like israel, so they do whatever the fuck they want outside pressure be damned, and that is definitely concerning for a traveler.
 

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