Israeli-Palestinian conflict (71 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

  • Yes

  • No

  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

  • Yes

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IrishZebra

Western Imperialist
Jun 18, 2006
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I thought people had given up the idea of fighting the US backed Israeli army already. I honestly do not see a plausible scenario which would bring the Palestinians any good.
They don't even understand the concept of the war as political, they think their stupid little martyr march will either win or win them support.

Simple things Palestine can do to sway western public and therefore eventually political opinion against Israel:

Don't kill non combatants even if Israel does, focus only on soldiers = you look like the ultimate oppressed victims

Speak English in a polite manner instead of shouting in Arabic on tv = you identify with the moronic voting public worldwide by using the Lingua Franca

Distance yourself from 'Jihad' mentality IF it's what the world powers are fighting = you no longer look like an enemy


It seems that Palestine has a mentality that they don't have to play the 'game' that their muslim thing will make them win. Newsflash, Israel has allies, Israel has Nukes, Israel will never die without taking out all of Palestine. Like Saladin would have done, accept, learn, adapt to anything that will bring victory. But nah, they'd rather blow up a bus full of children and look just as bad as Israel...
 
Jul 2, 2006
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If Gandhi was resisting to Israeli instead of English, his salt march would end up with lots of salt on his open wounds.
Playing nice to seek sympathy from world public opinion won't work with Israel. They are reckless enough to kill US citizens, yet nobody gave shit. Not to mention how they trolled with US in USS Liberty incident. In a place where US citizens getting killed and don't get recognized, Palestinian casualties will always be mere numbers.
 
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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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    They don't even understand the concept of the war as political, they think their stupid little martyr march will either win or win them support.

    Simple things Palestine can do to sway western public and therefore eventually political opinion against Israel:

    Don't kill non combatants even if Israel does, focus only on soldiers = you look like the ultimate oppressed victims

    Speak English in a polite manner instead of shouting in Arabic on tv = you identify with the moronic voting public worldwide by using the Lingua Franca

    Distance yourself from 'Jihad' mentality IF it's what the world powers are fighting = you no longer look like an enemy


    It seems that Palestine has a mentality that they don't have to play the 'game' that their muslim thing will make them win. Newsflash, Israel has allies, Israel has Nukes, Israel will never die without taking out all of Palestine. Like Saladin would have done, accept, learn, adapt to anything that will bring victory. But nah, they'd rather blow up a bus full of children and look just as bad as Israel...
    Another stupid post. When was the last bus bombing?

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    Anyway, the second Zionist soldier was shot down by Palestinian freedom fighters in the previous 24 hours in the West Bank. This did not happen since years...
    Great indicators that our people are still alive...

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    And regarding Gaza...
    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/18977-egypt-joins-israel-as-gazas-jailer
     

    IrishZebra

    Western Imperialist
    Jun 18, 2006
    23,327
    Another stupid post. When was the last bus bombing?

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    Anyway, the second Zionist soldier was shot down by Palestinian freedom fighters in the previous 24 hours in the West Bank. This did not happen since years...
    Great indicators that our people are still alive...

    - - - Updated - - -

    And regarding Gaza...
    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/18977-egypt-joins-israel-as-gazas-jailer
    Another stupid post? You wouldn't know political analysis if it bit you on the ass.
     

    IrishZebra

    Western Imperialist
    Jun 18, 2006
    23,327
    If Gandhi was resisting to Israeli instead of English, his salt march would end up with lots of salt on his open wounds.
    Playing nice to seek sympathy from world public opinion won't work with Israel. They are reckless enough to kill US citizens, yet nobody gave shit. Not to mention how they trolled with US in USS Liberty incident. In a place where US citizens getting killed and don't get recognized, Palestinian casualties will always be mere numbers.
    Man, screw Israel, I don't care about them. I'm talking about giving pro-palestinian parties and polities good things to point to when the Zionist lobby chimes in as they always do. More aid to Palestine material or political, even if Israel block 90& right?

    100 tons
    Israel block 90, Palestine gets 10
    But if 1000 tons, Palestine would get 100

    I'm saying this because I've studied Revolution and Insurgency and Guerrilla warfare and see some serious lacking in Palestinian strategy.

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    Either be respected when speaking about martyrs, or don't ever get into a discussion for adults...
    Deeming somebody immature because they disrespect your divinely ordained blood sacrifice :howler:


    Anyway, my point was about Buses dude and I wasn't trying to disrespect anybody, I was using it as an example, as in, Hamas should chose to attack IDF over such targets if and when a choice is available. That's all I meant.
     
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    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
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    Deeming somebody immature because they disrespect your divinely ordained blood sacrifice :howler:


    Anyway, my point was about Buses dude and I wasn't trying to disrespect anybody, I was using it as an example, as in, Hamas should chose to attack IDF over such targets if and when a choice is available. That's all I meant.
    And you did not answer my question about the last bus bombing because if you answer it, you will show that you are just making random assumptions here...
     

    IrishZebra

    Western Imperialist
    Jun 18, 2006
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    And you did not answer my question about the last bus bombing because if you answer it, you will show that you are just making random assumptions here...
    I'm using it as an example of an available tactic, I believe I've stated that already.

    But of course you're beautifully illustrating my point my getting your panties in a bunch over a tactical distinction, a microcosm of Palestines inability to effectively strategise...

    Israel is cunning, devious, they learn from everyone, they learn everything. But no, you're right, get bogged down in the little details, celebrate your martyrs and don't actually achieve what you want through sheer ideological intractability.
     

    IrishZebra

    Western Imperialist
    Jun 18, 2006
    23,327
    You've studied it but these guys living in it for last 60 years. There is a big chance that they know better than you and me.
    60 years of Ideological intractability and abject failure, I'll bow to the experts, well, until Israel just destroys and absorbs Palestine because Hamas can't box clever due to Jihad tunnel vision, like Communists trying to mount a coup, Revolution is case specific after all. Guevara and Castro could not have done the same anywhere else on earth.

    It's hilarious, you even have someone here offering their view on how Hamas could better achieve their goal and you and Rebel essentially attack me. Israelis would listen and evaluate the usefulness of the strategy, which is probably why they're winning.


    At least it's comforting to know, political Islam will shoot itself in the foot time and time again.
     

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