Israeli-Palestinian conflict (32 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

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  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

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  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
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    I heard reports that yesterday that Al Aqsa TV got hijacked or hacked yesterday?

    On another note I just did some search on Elias. Apparently he was arrested in 2006 too and let go. I hope he is released again.

    http://cpj.org/2006/07/aljazeera-reporters-detained-in-northern-israel.php
    ِAl-Aqsa Tv building was destroyed in the first day of the attack on 27th of last month. The TV could resume its broadcasting from unknown place. Its broadcasting is still being hacked from time to time by Israelis as they try to damage the sound of the channel and try to show Israeli threats to the people, but it seems those in charge of Al-Aqsa Tv have good technicians who can overcome all these difficulties and keep broadcasting. What happened yesterday was odd as its frequency was given by the hosting Egyptian Nilesat to another channel specialized in selling cars, but it seems many protests forced those Egyptians to let it resume its broadcasting as usual.

    As for Elias, he is a nice young guy who is full of enthusiasm. He was arrested during 2006 war on Lebanon because of the same reason, revealing military confidential information. He is christian by the way, and he is one of the rare Palestinian correspondents for Aljazeera who has Israeli nationality as his parents remained in the area which is called Israel now in 1948 and did not leave their homes.

    Rebel, I have read on a Bosnian newspaper that an Iranian general, some days ago, has urged Arab countries to stop delivering oil to contries supporting Israel. Why the **** can't they just do that ?
    In 1973, Arab countries did that during the war between Arabs and Israel, but that was when there was USSR who could say something against USA if they threatened Gulf countries, but now regimes in the Gulf countries (colonies) are taking orders from USA and can not do anything that may annoy USA and its nice baby, Israel.
     
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    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
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    Bombed? You mean by Israeli forces??
    Not wired?
    That would be sooo much better than an am-Bush...

    Bitten by the very own weapons, maybe next they wont be so reckless and respect human life...
    Sorry, Cronios. What I meant is that the building was full of explosives that was exploded by resistants from out of the house. I don't know what the suitable word is.
     

    Eddy

    The Maestro
    Aug 20, 2005
    12,644
    Well we certainly know how Israel rolls. Pretty much over everyone and everything.

    Look up disproportionate. The only way to control them is to play their dirty game, and disproportionately bomb the f*ck out of them.

    We're talking 60 years of occupation...
    Don't be ridiculous. That would cause absolute armageddon in the middle east. Nuking Israel will be one of the most stupidest moves ever if a leader ever decides that it should. Not only will you be killing Jews, but Muslims and Christians too. Muslims that have been fighting all their life. Are you trying to exterminate half of the only Palestinians we have in this world ? Do you know what the after-nuke process does to you...This is a war against Zionism, not Judaism. There is such a big difference if people wake up.

    And Ireland had been occupied for 700 years before it got it's independence finally so I don't know what you meant with that last remark.
     
    Mar 14, 2004
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    :lol2:

    Jesus Christ, that's terrible.
    it's not,it's a fact,world gave them a chance to show what their nature really is.

    "Mein kampf" originally described the nation of jewish people like we see them today. Imagine you live in one place,and a whole fck of those scumbags comes and says: THE BOOK 2000yrs OLD SAYS THIS IS OUR LAND,WE HAVE WEAPON OF AMERICA,WE WILL PUT YOU IN A CAGE,YOU WILL LIVE THERE LIKE ANIMALS SO THAT WE CAN LIVE IN OUR LAND,CUZ THE BOOK SAYS SO!!!!

    think bout it....
     

    Osman

    Koul Khara!
    Aug 30, 2002
    59,316
    Think about it? I am thinking you are not an utter embecile about only Trezeguet, but you are a total bigoted loon who needs to bury his head in the sand until he runs out of air. How nice would that be? Think about...
     

    Bjerknes

    "Top Economist"
    Mar 16, 2004
    111,703
    it's not,it's a fact,world gave them a chance to show what their nature really is.

    "Mein kampf" originally described the nation of jewish people like we see them today. Imagine you live in one place,and a whole fck of those scumbags comes and says: THE BOOK 2000yrs OLD SAYS THIS IS OUR LAND,WE HAVE WEAPON OF AMERICA,WE WILL PUT YOU IN A CAGE,YOU WILL LIVE THERE LIKE ANIMALS SO THAT WE CAN LIVE IN OUR LAND,CUZ THE BOOK SAYS SO!!!!

    think bout it....
    Actually, Orthodox Jews are against Zionism and have been vocal before and during these ethnic cleansing attacks.
     

    Bjerknes

    "Top Economist"
    Mar 16, 2004
    111,703
    The Invasion of Gaza: "Operation Cast Lead", Part of a Broader Israeli Military-Intelligence Agenda


    The aerial bombings and the ongoing ground invasion of Gaza by Israeli ground forces must be analysed in a historical context. Operation "Cast Lead" is a carefully planned undertaking, which is part of a broader military-intelligence agenda first formulated by the government of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in 2001:

    "Sources in the defense establishment said Defense Minister Ehud Barak instructed the Israel Defense Forces to prepare for the operation over six months ago, even as Israel was beginning to negotiate a ceasefire agreement with Hamas."(Barak Ravid, Operation "Cast Lead": Israeli Air Force strike followed months of planning, Haaretz, December 27, 2008)

    It was Israel which broke the truce on the day of the US presidential elections, November 4:

    "Israel used this distraction to break the ceasefire between itself and Hamas by bombing the Gaza strip. Israel claimed this violation of the ceasefire was to prevent Hamas from digging tunnels into Israeli territory.

    The very next day, Israel launched a terrorizing siege of Gaza, cutting off food, fuel, medical supplies and other necessities in an attempt to “subdue” the Palestinians while at the same time engaging in armed incursions.

    In response, Hamas and others in Gaza again resorted to firing crude, homemade, and mainly inaccurate rockets into Israel. During the past seven years, these rockets have been responsible for the deaths of 17 Israelis. Over the same time span, Israeli Blitzkrieg assaults have killed thousands of Palestinians, drawing worldwide protest but falling on deaf ears at the UN." (Shamus Cooke, The Massacre in Palestine and the Threat of a Wider War, Global Research, December 2008)

    Planned Humanitarian Disaster

    On December 8, US Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte was in Tel Aviv for discussions with his Israeli counterparts including the director of Mossad, Meir Dagan.

    "Operation Cast Lead" was initiated two days day after Christmas. It was coupled with a carefully designed international Public Relations campaign under the auspices of Israel's Foreign Ministry.

    Hamas' military targets are not the main objective. Operation "Cast Lead" is intended, quite deliberately, to trigger civilian casualities.

    What we are dealing with is a "planned humanitarian disaster" in Gaza in a densly populated urban area. (See map below)




    The longer term objective of this plan, as formulated by Israeli policy makers, is the expulsion of Palestinians from Palestinian lands:

    "Terrorize the civilian population, assuring maximal destruction of property and cultural resources... [T]he daily life of the Palestinians must be rendered unbearable: They should be locked up in cities and towns, prevented from exercising normal economic life, cut off from workplaces, schools and hospitals, This will encourage emigration and weaken the resistance to future expulsions" Ur Shlonsky, quoted by Ghali Hassan, Gaza: The World’s Largest Prison, Global Research, 2005)

    "Operation Justified Vengeance"

    A turning point has been reached. Operation "Cast Lead" is part of the broader military-intelligence operation initiated at the outset the Ariel Sharon government in 2001. It was under Sharon's "Operation Justified Vengeance" that F-16 fighter planes were initially used to bomb Palestinian cities.

    "Operation Justified Vengeance" was presented in July 2001 to the Israeli government of Ariel Sharon by IDF chief of staff Shaul Mofaz, under the title "The Destruction of the Palestinian Authority and Disarmament of All Armed Forces".

    "A contingency plan, codenamed Operation Justified Vengeance, was drawn up last June [2001] to reoccupy all of the West Bank and possibly the Gaza Strip at a likely cost of "hundreds" of Israeli casualties." (Washington Times, 19 March 2002).

    According to Jane's 'Foreign Report' (July 12, 2001) the Israeli army under Sharon had updated its plans for an "all-out assault to smash the Palestinian authority, force out leader Yasser Arafat and kill or detain its army".

    "Bloodshed Justification"

    The "Bloodshed Justification" was an essential component of the military-intelligence agenda. The killing of Palestinian civilians was justified on "humanitarian grounds." Israeli military operations were carefully timed to coincide with the suicide attacks:

    The assault would be launched, at the government's discretion, after a big suicide bomb attack in Israel, causing widespread deaths and injuries, citing the bloodshed as justification. (Tanya Reinhart, Evil Unleashed, Israel's move to destroy the Palestinian Authority is a calculated plan, long in the making, Global Research, December 2001, emphasis added)

    The Dagan Plan

    "Operation Justified Vengeance" was also referred to as the "Dagan Plan", named after General (ret.) Meir Dagan, who currently heads Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency.

    Reserve General Meir Dagan was Sharon's national security adviser during the 2000 election campaign. The plan was apparently drawn up prior to Sharon’s election as Prime Minister in February 2001. "According to Alex Fishman writing in Yediot Aharonot, the Dagan Plan consisted in destroying the Palestinian authority and putting Yasser Arafat 'out of the game'." (Ellis Shulman, "Operation Justified Vengeance": a Secret Plan to Destroy the Palestinian Authority, March 2001):

    "As reported in the Foreign Report [Jane] and disclosed locally by Maariv, Israel's invasion plan — reportedly dubbed Justified Vengeance — would be launched immediately following the next high-casualty suicide bombing, would last about a month and is expected to result in the death of hundreds of Israelis and thousands of Palestinians. (Ibid, emphasis added)

    The "Dagan Plan" envisaged the so-called "cantonization" of the Palestinian territories whereby the West Bank and Gaza would be totally cut off from one other, with separate "governments" in each of the territories. Under this scenario, already envisaged in 2001, Israel would:

    "negotiate separately with Palestinian forces that are dominant in each territory-Palestinian forces responsible for security, intelligence, and even for the Tanzim (Fatah)." The plan thus closely resembles the idea of "cantonization" of Palestinian territories, put forth by a number of ministers." Sylvain Cypel, The infamous 'Dagan Plan' Sharon's plan for getting rid of Arafat, Le Monde, December 17, 2001)


    From Left to Right: Dagan, Sharon, Halevy

    The Dagan Plan has established continuity in the military-intelligence agenda. In the wake of the 2000 elections, Meir Dagan was assigned a key role. "He became Sharon’s "go-between" in security issues with President’s Bush’s special envoys Zinni and Mitchell." He was subsequently appointed Director of the Mossad by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in August 2002. In the post-Sharon period, he remained head of Mossad. He was reconfirmed in his position as Director of Israeli Intelligence by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert in June 2008.

    Meir Dagan, in coordination with his US counterparts, has been in charge of various military-intelligence operations. It is worth noting that Meir Dagan as a young Colonel had worked closely with defense minister Ariel Sharon in the raids on Palestinian settlements in Beirut in 1982. The 2009 ground invasion of Gaza, in many regards, bear a canny resemblance to the 1982 military operation led by Sharon and Dagan.

    Continuity: From Sharon to Olmert



    Olmert and Sharon

    It is important to focus on a number of key events which have led up to the killings in Gaza under "Operation Cast Lead":

    1. The assassination in November 2004 of Yaser Arafat. This assassination had been on the drawing board since 1996 under "Operation Fields of Thorns". According to an October 2000 document "prepared by the security services, at the request of then Prime Minister Ehud Barak, stated that 'Arafat, the person, is a severe threat to the security of the state [of Israel] and the damage which will result from his disappearance is less than the damage caused by his existence'". (Tanya Reinhart, Evil Unleashed, Israel's move to destroy the Palestinian Authority is a calculated plan, long in the making, Global Research, December 2001. Details of the document were published in Ma'ariv, July 6, 2001.).

    Arafat's assassination was ordered in 2003 by the Israeli cabinet. It was approved by the US which vetoed a United Nations Security Resolution condemning the 2003 Israeli Cabinet decision. Reacting to increased Palestinian attacks, in August 2003, Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz declared "all out war" on the militants whom he vowed "marked for death."

    "In mid September, Israel's government passed a law to get rid of Arafat. Israel's cabinet for political security affairs declared it "a decision to remove Arafat as an obstacle to peace." Mofaz threatened; "we will choose the right way and the right time to kill Arafat." Palestinian Minister Saeb Erekat told CNN he thought Arafat was the next target. CNN asked Sharon spokesman Ra'anan Gissan if the vote meant expulsion of Arafat. Gissan clarified; "It doesn't mean that. The Cabinet has today resolved to remove this obstacle. The time, the method, the ways by which this will take place will be decided separately, and the security services will monitor the situation and make the recommendation about proper action." (See Trish Shuh, Road Map for a Decease Plan, www.mehrnews.com November 9 2005




    The assassination of Arafat was part of the 2001 Dagan Plan. In all likelihood, it was carried out by Israeli Intelligence. It was intended to destroy the Palestinian Authority, foment divisions within Fatah as well as between Fatah and Hamas. Mahmoud Abbas is a Palestinian quisling. He was installed as leader of Fatah, with the approval of Israel and the US, which finance the Palestinian Authority's paramilitary and security forces.



    2. The removal, under the orders of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in 2005, of all Jewish settlements in Gaza. A Jewish population of over 7,000 was relocated.

    "It is my intention [Sharon] to carry out an evacuation – sorry, a relocation – of settlements that cause us problems and of places that we will not hold onto anyway in a final settlement, like the Gaza settlements.... I am working on the assumption that in the future there will be no Jews in Gaza," Sharon said." (CBC, March 2004)

    The issue of the settlements in Gaza was presented as part of Washington's "road map to peace". Celebrated by the Palestinians as a "victory", this measure was not directed against the Jewish settlers. Quite the opposite: It was part of the overall covert operation, which consisted in transforming Gaza into a concentration camp. As long as Jewish settlers were living inside Gaza, the objective of sustaining a large barricaded prison territory could not be achieved. The Implementation of "Operation Cast Lead" required "no Jews in Gaza".

    3. The building of the infamous Apartheid Wall was decided upon at the beginning of the Sharon government.

    4. The next phase was the Hamas election victory in January 2006. Without Arafat, the Israeli military-intelligence architects knew that Fatah under Mahmoud Abbas would loose the elections. This was part of the scenario, which had been envisaged and analyzed well in advance.

    With Hamas in charge of the Palestinian authority, using the pretext that Hamas is a terrorist organization, Israel would carry out the process of "cantonization" as formulated under the Dagan plan. Fatah under Mahmoud Abbas would remain formally in charge of the West Bank. The duly elected Hamas government would be confined to the Gaza strip.

    Ground Attack

    On January 3, Israeli tanks and infantry entered Gaza in an all out ground offensive:

    "The ground operation was preceded by several hours of heavy artillery fire after dark, igniting targets in flames that burst into the night sky. Machine gun fire rattled as bright tracer rounds flashed through the darkness and the crash of hundreds of shells sent up streaks of fire. (AP, January 3, 2009)

    Israeli sources have pointed to a lengthy drawn out military operation. It "won't be easy and it won't be short," said Defense Minister Ehud Barak in a TV address.

    Israel is not seeking to oblige Hamas "to cooperate". What we are dealing with is the implementation of the "Dagan Plan" as initially formulated in 2001, which called for:

    "an invasion of Palestinian-controlled territory by some 30,000 Israeli soldiers, with the clearly defined mission of destroying the infrastructure of the Palestinian leadership and collecting weaponry currently possessed by the various Palestinian forces, and expelling or killing its military leadership. (Ellis Shulman, op cit, emphasis added)

    The broader question is whether Israel in consultation with Washington is intent upon triggering a wider war.

    Mass expulsion could occur at some later stage of the ground invasion, were the Israelis to open up Gaza's borders to allow for an exodus of population. Expulsion was referred to by Ariel Sharon as the "a 1948 style solution". For Sharon "it is only necessary to find another state for the Palestinians. -'Jordan is Palestine' - was the phrase that Sharon coined." (Tanya Reinhart, op cit)

    Infowars.com

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    Rebel or anybody, have you heard anything about this operation before?
     

    Bjerknes

    "Top Economist"
    Mar 16, 2004
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    "Somebody" hacked a pro-Palestine Facebook Group, one with over 33,000 members, including our own Rhizoid.

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8539161340

    End the siege on Gaza now....معا لأجل فك الحصار عن غزة
    Global
    Basic Info
    Type: Organizations - Political Organizations
    Description: Closed. Israel for life x

    :shifty:
     
    Jul 2, 2006
    18,872
    "Somebody" hacked a pro-Palestine Facebook Group, one with over 33,000 members, including our own Rhizoid.

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8539161340

    End the siege on Gaza now....معا لأجل فك الحصار عن غزة
    Global
    Basic Info
    Type: Organizations - Political Organizations
    Description: Closed. Israel for life x

    :shifty:
    :lol: jewish internet defence force
     
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    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
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    Rebel or anybody, have you heard anything about this operation before?
    Well, I know the majority of the events mentioned in the article and I know the whole thing is planned by Israelis to force Palestinians to leave, but I didn't know the specific names for these plans.
     
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    ReBeL

    The Jackal
    Jan 14, 2005
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    Thanks Reb.:)

    See this is what pisses me off,funds will always be readily available for ammunition,weapons(tanks,bombs,handguns etc) yet the same people that fight for the people wouldnt bother making arrangements for the civilians.

    Unfortunately it wont happen & to be honest civilians will always be casualties of war with these kind of attacks.I can assure you that people are used as human shields & the people that make those decisions are so driven by hate that anything goes.

    During the apartheid era in South Africa the same tactics were used & i have had lenghty discussions with some of the war veterans & we came to an understanding.They had to take drastic measures when dealing with a much stronger adversary & the only way to get support was via visual shock therapy.What bothers me is that this has been going on for years & there seems to be no sign of conclusion.

    Its just an opinion & it might not be correct but im all for the civilians.You experience this first hand so maybe you could give me a clearer picture of the scenario.
    Well, Byrone. Sorry for the delay. I would appreciate it if you could suggest how civilians can be protected against planes and tanks. I don't get your suggestion to be honest.
     

    Byrone

    Peen Meister
    Dec 19, 2005
    30,778
    Well, Byrone. Sorry for the delay. I would appreciate it if you could suggest how civilians can be protected against planes and tanks. I don't get your suggestion to be honest.
    The point im making is simple.Funds will be readily made for war yet no measures would be set for basic protection of civilians.This is not a new war & its been on going for ages.

    I might come off sounding insensitive but why are bomb shelters not being built?Its wrong that woman,children & elderly people have to be casualties but its seems to me that gaining victory will be done at any cost.Also the continous airing of mudered civilians is used as a tool.
     

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