Israeli-Palestinian conflict (109 Viewers)

[Omair]

ok Andy.. let do smth.. lets imagine i DIDNT know any, while you know thruth, let me ask some questions. B4 it i wanna admit i am not middle east historic so i may wrong in some facts

1) Why Israel attacks Palestina?

2) Which nation should own Jerusalem? Why?

3) why richest arab countries in the world cant build normal country PALESTINA, at least on those lands they now have?

4)Why jews are racists?

lets start with that siple questions, try to avoid jokes and insults in you answer pls

I'll answer the first three questions in reverse order ..

3) Because all Arabs and Muslims believe that Palestinians should live on THEIR own land which is Palestine (hence the name Palestinians, whether Muslims or Christians). There are two major stances in Muslim world against Israel, 1- There should NOT be any Jew state on Muslim and Arab lands and 2- There is a chance of having a two-state solution but to just give Israel all the lands and make Palestinians live anywhere else is not even in their agendas. Let's say for argument sake that Jews have the right to live in Palestine, the atrocities they did against Palestinians would make them less rightful IMO. (BTW, the first stance stands stronger and better amongst most Muslims)

2) In case Zionists controlling the Jew state and Arab/Muslim leaders settled on a two state solution, All Muslims believe that Jerusalem should be in the Palestinian state, Why you ask? because, my friend, we, Muslims, all believe that King Solomon's temple is a myth. Because, as Muslims, we believe in King Solomon he's stated more than once in the Holy Qur'an and we believe that the current Mosque up there IS actually what remained from the temple Abraham built for God and we have our mosque built on it's basis which means that King Solomon never built THAT particular mosque/temple and if he built a temple it's somewhere else.

1) Israel attacks Palestinians because the latter are defending their lands and want to have them back. It's a never ending cycle. Started with the Haganah in the days of the British mandate on Palestine which lead to conflict which lead to 1948 war which lead to ......... 2009.

4) Because, as far as I know and correct me if I'm wrong, Zionists actually think they're superior.

Disclaimer: I'm not imposing on you some of the Muslim beliefs I've written but just explaining a Muslim stance in the conflict.

 

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[Zé Tahir]

1) Envious of the view
2) Kim Jong-Il and North Korea, because he's got nukes and he ain't afraid to use them.
3) All remaining open space allocated to new KFC franchise expansion in the Middle East.
4) Because they didn't vote for Barack Obama in the last U.S. election

 

[GianniAgnelli]

I'll answer the first three questions in reverse order ..

3) Because all Arabs and Muslims believe that Palestinians should live on THEIR own land which is Palestine (hence the name Palestinians, whether Muslims or Christians). There are two major stances in Muslim world against Israel, 1- There should NOT be any Jew state on Muslim and Arab lands and 2- There is a chance of having a two-state solution but to just give Israel all the lands and make Palestinians live anywhere else is not even in their agendas. Let's say for argument sake that Jews have the right to live in Palestine, the atrocities they did against Palestinians would make them less rightful IMO. (BTW, the first stance stands stronger and better amongst most Muslims)

2) In case Zionists controlling the Jew state and Arab/Muslim leaders settled on a two state solution, All Muslims believe that Jerusalem should be in the Palestinian state, Why you ask? because, my friend, we, Muslims, all believe that King Solomon's temple is a myth. Because, as Muslims, we believe in King Solomon he's stated more than once in the Holy Qur'an and we believe that the current Mosque up there IS actually what remained from the temple Abraham built for God and we have our mosque built on it's basis which means that King Solomon never built THAT particular mosque/temple and if he built a temple it's somewhere else.

1) Israel attacks Palestinians because the latter are defending their lands and want to have them back. It's a never ending cycle. Started with the Haganah in the days of the British mandate on Palestine which lead to conflict which lead to 1948 war which lead to ......... 2009. .



Disclaimer: I'm not imposing on you some of the Muslim beliefs I've written but just explaining a Muslim stance in the conflict

That make sense mate. But i asked Andy. You see your position is another coz your post show that EVRERY has it own truth.. You muslims think one way, we jews - another.

But your words "It's a never ending cycle" - shows me you atleast use your logic not only emotions. You see jews are very same in that questions to arabs, difference only in answer who began that cycle..

BUT i still cant agree about number 3). Its not an answer. I understand that they believe in some truth about Palestine land, and what now? They prefer to watching their ppl dying rather than find solution? 50 years arabs and jews killing each other, and they still believe all be ok coz it their land? how many thousands of muslims have to give their lives to live there? and most intersting question WHO will live there in 50-60 years in future if arabs wins? Iraq ppl, Syrian, Lebanon? I think anyone but not Palestinian.

My truth: that some islamic fanaatics using Palestinians as very good lever to contorl situation on Middle-East. You see muslims not jews in that key(i about population), arabian countries even argues with each other, they are very far from their general brother-muslim-idea. They need to be together, but how they can do it if they have wars with each other?(remember Iraq-Iran shit)
So they need some poor and bloody country as Palestina to show the most bad evil on earth - Israel. Look at the truth, arabian army in 40 times bigger than Israelian. Not USA not UK can even whisper a word if arabs REALLY need to return Jerusalem. Fianlly such countries as UAE and S.Arabia is not far from Israel's sponsors. They spending milliards of $, to buy weapon and other shit, and cant even buld normal bomb shelters for their ppl.

My friends from Israel's army tells me war never ended. However i disagree.. Ofcourse living in Russia and talking about war ends is rather naive, however.. Iraq was very strong figure in whole situation. So USA "oil hunters" helped Israel a little. You see from 1950 - 2 of biggest countries quit that war (Egypt and Iraq). Next is Iran - if their president will continue his behavior, USA will have new target #1 in replace for Sadam.. And you see i am not supporting USA in helping Israel - coz USA needs oil not Israel's happiness. But if only "democratic invasion" can stop that shit i only for it. I know you muslims want "another end of story". But lets be honest man, you never destroy Israel(if you could you already did it 100000 times) and its very hardly to happen that you will return Jerusalem.


You crying when Palestinian kids dying, and i crying with you when i see it. Fianlly human feelings is in all of uss. The difference between us is only that you cry and begin to hate jews even more, i cry and ask myself how it can be that 1,4 millions muslims in the worlds cant take that kids out from Gaza...

4) Because, as far as I know and correct me if I'm wrong, Zionists actually think they're superior.

I am a jew and i dont think we are superior.. But you have to agree that jews has many facts in their history which goes in counter with other world's oldest nations destiny.. I dont want talking about 5000 years old history and other things, coz i know it doesnt make sense to anyone except jews. and you see.. i dont know how in Europe but in Russia, russians natioonalists themeselves make jews superior nation . They moaning about all politics, scientisits, actors, singers in USSR was jews, and so? When i hearing every day from ppl who hates jews that jews are controlling all in that world, they controlling banks, Hollywood, porn industyr , space, TV, radio etc etc, without even one bullet , doesnt it make that nation superior?

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

"Your truth" isn't "truth" though.

My truth might be that dogs have 5 legs, it doesn't make it true.

 

[GianniAgnelli]

"Your truth" isn't "truth" though.

My truth might be that dogs have 5 legs, it doesn't make it true.

agreed, however my truth will stay with me your with you. We can begin endless talk about "you wrong, not you are wrong, not its you wrong" - but it will not end.


And you know Burke when i sometimes hearing some arab's presidents speeches, i begin to think that they maybe have 5-legs-dogs at home

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

And when I hear that Jews are God's chosen people, I laugh my ass off, because there is no God.

 

[GianniAgnelli]

And when I hear that Jews are God's chosen people, I laugh my ass off, because there is no God.

 

[swag]

And when I hear that Jews are God's chosen people, I laugh my ass off, because there is no God.

Right now, chocolate is my chosen donut.

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

My genitals inside your doughnut.

 

[Zé Tahir]

agreed, however my truth will stay with me your with you. We can begin endless talk about "you wrong, not you are wrong, not its you wrong" - but it will not end.


And you know Burke when i sometimes hearing some arab's presidents speeches, i begin to think that they maybe have 5-legs-dogs at home

The ignorance of the Arab leaders is disgusting and the cleverness of the Israeli leaders is equally disgusting.

They should just kill each other off. Let the old, women, and children behind.

 

[GianniAgnelli]

The ignorance of the Arab leaders is disgusting and the cleverness of the Israeli leaders is equally disgusting.

They should just kill each other off. Let the old, women, and children behind.

+1..

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

Agree.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

ok Andy.. let do smth.. lets imagine i DIDNT know any, while you know thruth, let me ask some questions. B4 it i wanna admit i am not middle east historic so i may wrong in some facts

1) Why Israel attacks Palestina?

2) Which nation should own Jerusalem? Why?

3) why richest arab countries in the world cant build normal country PALESTINA, at least on those lands they now have?

4)Why jews are racists?

lets start with that siple questions, try to avoid jokes and insults in you answer pls

I don't know if you're Jew or not but if you're Jew you should know the answers.

1) They want their ''Promised Lands'' from Nile to Euphrates and Palestine is first barrier to surpass.

2) Palestine. but in today's situation it should be autonomous at least. today israeli are threatening Al-Aqsa Mosque in order to provoking Muslims. once they throw stones, they can respond with missiles.

3) Richest Arab countries are corrupted but that does not mean palestine is vulnerable. there is a state called israel in their lands now. where will they build the ''normal country''. those lands now they have? we are not talking about a Liechtenstein with 35,000 population.

4) ''god's chosen people'' and ''goyim'' tells it all.

 

[IrishZebra]

Palestine fulfuils all international legal requirement for statehood, no matter what Israel says,

Montevideo convention anyone???

 

[Omair]

agreed, however my truth will stay with me your with you. We can begin endless talk about "you wrong, not you are wrong, not its you wrong" - but it will not end.


And you know Burke when i sometimes hearing some arab's presidents speeches, i begin to think that they maybe have 5-legs-dogs at home

They're pathetic! why do you even bother?

That make sense mate. But i asked Andy. You see your position is another coz your post show that EVRERY has it own truth.. You muslims think one way, we jews - another.

But your words "It's a never ending cycle" - shows me you atleast use your logic not only emotions. You see jews are very same in that questions to arabs, difference only in answer who began that cycle..

BUT i still cant agree about number 3). Its not an answer. I understand that they believe in some truth about Palestine land, and what now? They prefer to watching their ppl dying rather than find solution? 50 years arabs and jews killing each other, and they still believe all be ok coz it their land? how many thousands of muslims have to give their lives to live there? and most intersting question WHO will live there in 50-60 years in future if arabs wins? Iraq ppl, Syrian, Lebanon? I think anyone but not Palestinian.

My truth: that some islamic fanaatics using Palestinians as very good lever to contorl situation on Middle-East. You see muslims not jews in that key(i about population), arabian countries even argues with each other, they are very far from their general brother-muslim-idea. They need to be together, but how they can do it if they have wars with each other?(remember Iraq-Iran shit)
So they need some poor and bloody country as Palestina to show the most bad evil on earth - Israel. Look at the truth, arabian army in 40 times bigger than Israelian. Not USA not UK can even whisper a word if arabs REALLY need to return Jerusalem. Fianlly such countries as UAE and S.Arabia is not far from Israel's sponsors. They spending milliards of $, to buy weapon and other shit, and cant even buld normal bomb shelters for their ppl.

My friends from Israel's army tells me war never ended. However i disagree.. Ofcourse living in Russia and talking about war ends is rather naive, however.. Iraq was very strong figure in whole situation. So USA "oil hunters" helped Israel a little. You see from 1950 - 2 of biggest countries quit that war (Egypt and Iraq). Next is Iran - if their president will continue his behavior, USA will have new target #1 in replace for Sadam.. And you see i am not supporting USA in helping Israel - coz USA needs oil not Israel's happiness. But if only "democratic invasion" can stop that shit i only for it. I know you muslims want "another end of story". But lets be honest man, you never destroy Israel(if you could you already did it 100000 times) and its very hardly to happen that you will return Jerusalem.


You crying when Palestinian kids dying, and i crying with you when i see it. Fianlly human feelings is in all of uss. The difference between us is only that you cry and begin to hate jews even more, i cry and ask myself how it can be that 1,4 millions muslims in the worlds cant take that kids out from Gaza...



I am a jew and i dont think we are superior.. But you have to agree that jews has many facts in their history which goes in counter with other world's oldest nations destiny.. I dont want talking about 5000 years old history and other things, coz i know it doesnt make sense to anyone except jews. and you see.. i dont know how in Europe but in Russia, russians natioonalists themeselves make jews superior nation . They moaning about all politics, scientisits, actors, singers in USSR was jews, and so? When i hearing every day from ppl who hates jews that jews are controlling all in that world, they controlling banks, Hollywood, porn industyr , space, TV, radio etc etc, without even one bullet , doesnt it make that nation superior?

I'll tell who will live there.. Arab and Muslim Descendants of those Palestinians who left early on 1900s .. Yes for sure they may be Saudized or egytianized or whatever but again it's their country! And in the case 50-60 years from now they ALL cease to exist. Muslims will still fight for Palestine because it's their holy land as much as it is Christian holy land as much as it is Jew holy land! They don't call Jerusalem The Sad City for nothing! It's been, historically, in war for 100s of times!

Most Arabs lost what was left of faith in their leaders after the Camp David treaty back in 1973. We don't live in democratic countries, you see! not even Egypt, Syria or whatever. The closest to democracy in the region is Lebanon, and they have their shitload of problems. My point is, people are suppressed and can't get their opinion through which will lead us that in 60 years no matter how Arab leaders ideologies change people will still want Palestine back and Israel out!

It's something embedded in most Arab and Muslim souls.

The ignorance of the Arab leaders is disgusting and the cleverness of the Israeli leaders is equally disgusting.

They should just kill each other off. Let the old, women, and children behind.

..

 

[GianniAgnelli]

I don't know if you're Jew or not but if you're Jew you should know the answers.

1) They want their ''Promised Lands'' from Nile to Euphrates and Palestine is first barrier to surpass.

2) Palestine. but in today's situation it should be autonomous at least. today israeli are threatening Al-Aqsa Mosque in order to provoking Muslims. once they throw stones, they can respond with missiles.

3) Richest Arab countries are corrupted but that does not mean palestine is vulnerable. there is a state called israel in their lands now. where will they build the ''normal country''. those lands now they have? we are not talking about a Liechtenstein with 35,000 population.

4) ''god's chosen people'' and ''goyim'' tells it all.

I comeback to duscussion. Yes I am Jew(semi-Jew) and i know answers man.. i just want to view muslim's point of view.

1) Yes that point is good, i agree . I asked coz somebody talked here about palestinian genocide.. thats why i asked

2)So? G-d promised that land to Jews, Allah made that land saint for muslims. What the difference?? Or You support Palestina only coz you are muslim? It was capital of Judah thousands years ago, now it is capital of Israel.. All returned to it native way..

3) Israel also is corrupted, but they didnt leave their kids and poor women dying in different parts of MidEast.. And if ppl understand Arabian countries corrupted, why they support their ideas(not all ofcourse but most)?

4) Nah.. Man be honest, arent "goyims" themselves made jews choosen one and "racists"?. Judaism is oldset religion in the world, if jews wanted they could make religion expansions like muslims and christians did.. But they didnt want it, they lived like they want, with their own minds not touching anyone..

 

[IrishZebra]

I comeback to duscussion. Yes I am Jew(semi-Jew) and i know answers man.. i just want to view muslim's point of view.


2)So? G-d promised that land to Jews, Allah made that land saint for muslims. What the difference?? Or You support Palestina only coz you are muslim? It was capital of Judah thousands years ago, now it is capital of Israel.. All returned to it native way..

3) Israel also is corrupted, but they didnt leave their kids and poor women dying in different parts of MidEast

4) Judaism is oldset religion in the world,

2. Anybody that claims territory because GOD promised it to them is an idiot

3.True, they just killed the muslim children and women

4.No, no it isn't, Sun worship aninmism the Mesopatamiams, the egyptians,the chinese also Dravidianism ( percusore to Hinduism) is 8000 years old, all of these predate Judaism

 

[ReBeL]

oh shit how many posts here.. I understand arabs who dislike jews, but non-arabs.. How in the 21th century envy can play such a big role in human's psychology??..

However i looking on things in possitive way. 5 years before i was sure that war never ended. Now i think 30-50 years and all be much better. Even Iranian kids and teenagers understand that they dont want to be zombies with no life. Its good coz it their new generation. And llok at Egypt, who in 1960s can predict they will quit that useless endless war? I think S. Arabia and UAE are next countries to quit that shit.

PS: no offence, but Andy what the reason to make such avatars?...

Andy you talking some very clever right things, but you dont even try to read yours posts!! What murders. what are you talking about? God Dammit Jews arent saint, but when ppl told me that arabs just sitting at their houses while jews come and killing em it makes me angry and sad..

But anyway even if i agree with jewish aggressors, why you tell "hate Jews", why dont you tell "hate mister X who controls that fuckin world how he want"

I am Jew - you hate me? you even dont know me..

agreed. discussing is useless.

Last thing Andy. SOmeone here say he hates jews coz they think they are choosen.. now look at yourself

The whole world lies while only you know truth.

All history books are lie while only you know truth.

Holocaust is fake, only you know thruth.

No terrosrists and unhuman morons in Palestina and Lebanon - videos, pics, all is fake only you know the truth.

Israel and Jews are murders, while you take care of defendless ppl.

_______________

Arent you choosen after all?


PS: you know better than me, Israel will be screwed, muslims fanatic(they are not even muslims in fact) will find new and new targets...

i read some pages of that thread, and too bad i wasnt here when discussion was, i can ask many questions too poor-palestinian defenders..

ok Andy.. let do smth.. lets imagine i DIDNT know any, while you know thruth, let me ask some questions. B4 it i wanna admit i am not middle east historic so i may wrong in some facts

1) Why Israel attacks Palestina?

2) Which nation should own Jerusalem? Why?

3) why richest arab countries in the world cant build normal country PALESTINA, at least on those lands they now have?

4)Why jews are racists?

lets start with that siple questions, try to avoid jokes and insults in you answer pls

That make sense mate. But i asked Andy. You see your position is another coz your post show that EVRERY has it own truth.. You muslims think one way, we jews - another.

But your words "It's a never ending cycle" - shows me you atleast use your logic not only emotions. You see jews are very same in that questions to arabs, difference only in answer who began that cycle..

BUT i still cant agree about number 3). Its not an answer. I understand that they believe in some truth about Palestine land, and what now? They prefer to watching their ppl dying rather than find solution? 50 years arabs and jews killing each other, and they still believe all be ok coz it their land? how many thousands of muslims have to give their lives to live there? and most intersting question WHO will live there in 50-60 years in future if arabs wins? Iraq ppl, Syrian, Lebanon? I think anyone but not Palestinian.

My truth: that some islamic fanaatics using Palestinians as very good lever to contorl situation on Middle-East. You see muslims not jews in that key(i about population), arabian countries even argues with each other, they are very far from their general brother-muslim-idea. They need to be together, but how they can do it if they have wars with each other?(remember Iraq-Iran shit)
So they need some poor and bloody country as Palestina to show the most bad evil on earth - Israel. Look at the truth, arabian army in 40 times bigger than Israelian. Not USA not UK can even whisper a word if arabs REALLY need to return Jerusalem. Fianlly such countries as UAE and S.Arabia is not far from Israel's sponsors. They spending milliards of $, to buy weapon and other shit, and cant even buld normal bomb shelters for their ppl.

My friends from Israel's army tells me war never ended. However i disagree.. Ofcourse living in Russia and talking about war ends is rather naive, however.. Iraq was very strong figure in whole situation. So USA "oil hunters" helped Israel a little. You see from 1950 - 2 of biggest countries quit that war (Egypt and Iraq). Next is Iran - if their president will continue his behavior, USA will have new target #1 in replace for Sadam.. And you see i am not supporting USA in helping Israel - coz USA needs oil not Israel's happiness. But if only "democratic invasion" can stop that shit i only for it. I know you muslims want "another end of story". But lets be honest man, you never destroy Israel(if you could you already did it 100000 times) and its very hardly to happen that you will return Jerusalem.


You crying when Palestinian kids dying, and i crying with you when i see it. Fianlly human feelings is in all of uss. The difference between us is only that you cry and begin to hate jews even more, i cry and ask myself how it can be that 1,4 millions muslims in the worlds cant take that kids out from Gaza...



I am a jew and i dont think we are superior.. But you have to agree that jews has many facts in their history which goes in counter with other world's oldest nations destiny.. I dont want talking about 5000 years old history and other things, coz i know it doesnt make sense to anyone except jews. and you see.. i dont know how in Europe but in Russia, russians natioonalists themeselves make jews superior nation . They moaning about all politics, scientisits, actors, singers in USSR was jews, and so? When i hearing every day from ppl who hates jews that jews are controlling all in that world, they controlling banks, Hollywood, porn industyr , space, TV, radio etc etc, without even one bullet , doesnt it make that nation superior?

Look.

I'm a Palestinian. Let me make it simple for you.

We don't care who will live in Palestine after 50 years.

We just do all what we can to make the biggest number of casualties between Zionists who are there because they killed thousands of us with the help of USA, Russia and many Zionist-controlled countries.

Whether you see us as terrorists or not, we don't care, because your opinion doesn't matter.

 

[IrishZebra]

Look.

do all what we can to make the biggest number of casualties between Zionists

Whether you see us as terrorists or not, we don't care, because your opinion doesn't matter.

I fully support palenstines righ tto exist , but you're equally full of shit my man

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

I comeback to duscussion. Yes I am Jew(semi-Jew) and i know answers man.. i just want to view muslim's point of view.

1) Yes that point is good, i agree . I asked coz somebody talked here about palestinian genocide.. thats why i asked

2)So? G-d promised that land to Jews, Allah made that land saint for muslims. What the difference?? Or You support Palestina only coz you are muslim? It was capital of Judah thousands years ago, now it is capital of Israel.. All returned to it native way..

3) Israel also is corrupted, but they didnt leave their kids and poor women dying in different parts of MidEast.. And if ppl understand Arabian countries corrupted, why they support their ideas(not all ofcourse but most)?

4) Nah.. Man be honest, arent "goyims" themselves made jews choosen one and "racists"?. Judaism is oldset religion in the world, if jews wanted they could make religion expansions like muslims and christians did.. But they didnt want it, they lived like they want, with their own minds not touching anyone..

I won't start a religious debate in this thread but ''goyims'' and ''choosen ones'' are in your book. we saw how your rabbi made massacres legal by using goyim term. zionists believed that they could butcher people who are not jew because goyims are nothing more than two footed animals. they have no fear of god, they don't feel a responsibility because they believe they will go to heaven no matter what they have done in this world, because they are ''god's choosen people''.

it was the main reason why Jews didn't accept Islam. Qur'an told how all people are equal in sight of Allah and only their actions on the earth will make difference. so they didn't want to lose their privilege.

if occupation of Palestine is not a religion expansion, i don't know if there was any religion expansion in human history.