Israeli-Palestinian conflict (44 Viewers)

Is Hamas a Terrorist Organization?

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  • Should there be a Jewish nation SOMEWHERE in the world?

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  • Should Israel be a country located in the region it is right now?

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Apr 12, 2004
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They are as close to being an Islamic state as Rooney is to being a supermodel.
Several international human rights organizations, such as Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the United Nations Human Rights Committee have issued reports critical of the Saudi legal system and its human rights record in various political, legal, and social areas, especially its severe limitations on the rights of women. The Saudi government typically dismisses such reports as being outright lies or asserts that its actions are based on its adherence to Islamic law.





The Basic Law, in 1992, declared that Saudi Arabia is a monarchy ruled by the progeny of King Abd Al Aziz Al Saud. It also declared the Qur'an as the constitution of the country, governed on the basis of Islamic law.[13]
Criminal cases are tried under Sharia courts in the country. These courts exercise authority over the entire population including foreigners (regardless of religion). Cases involving small penalties are tried in Shari'a summary courts. More serious crimes are adjudicated in Shari'a courts of common pleas. Courts of appeal handle appeals from Shari'a courts.[13]
Civil cases may also be tried under Sharia courts with one exception: Shia may try such cases in their own courts. Other civil proceedings, including those involving claims against the Government and enforcement of foreign judgments, are held before specialized administrative tribunals, such as the Commission for the Settlement of Labor Disputes and the Board of Grievances.[13]
Main sources of Saudi law are Hanbali fiqh as set out in a number of specified scholarly treatises by authoritative jurists, other schools of law, state regulations and royal decrees (where these are relevant), and custom and practice.[14]
The Saudi legal system prescribes capital punishment or corporal punishment, including amputations of hands and feet for certain crimes such as murder, robbery, rape, drug smuggling, homosexual activity, and adultery. The courts may impose less severe punishments, such as floggings, for less serious crimes against public morality such as drunkenness.[15] Murder, accidental death and bodily harm are open to punishment from the victim's family. Retribution may be sought in kind or through blood money. The blood money payable for a woman's accidental death is half as much as that for a man.[16] The main reason for this is that, according to Islamic law, men are expected to be providers for their families and therefore are expected to earn more money in their lifetimes. The blood money from a man would be expected to sustain his family, for at least a short time. Honor killings are also not punished as severely as murder. This generally stems from the fact that honor killings are within a family, and done to compensate for some dishonorable act committed. Slavery was abolished in 1962.[17][18]
 

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Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
59,310
Operative word being claims, Burke. They claim the Quran is the consitution of their ruling, but they contradict and break its very essense in SO MANY ways its ridicolous. They dont put it to practice, doesnt matter what they claim.

I mean, where in the Quran does it say you should have a police force that goes around raping women because they look at you in a particular way? Because, thats pretty much a "law" in KSA.

They are other muslim countries, several, who influenced by their religion quite a bit, but how come non of them rule as insanely archaic as the Saudi's if what Saudi's represent is an Islamic state? They arent anything bunch of fucking power hungry backwards wahabbaists sect. Period.
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
ßüякε;1880410 said:
Are they elected?

Because I thought the KSA was a Kingdom, where the rulers are prices and kings, like King Abdullah.

From Wiki:

"The central institution of the Saudi Arabian government is the Saudi monarchy. The Basic Law of Government adopted in 1992 declared that Saudi Arabia is a monarchy ruled by the sons and grandsons of the first king, Abd Al Aziz Al Saud. It also claims that the Qur'an is the constitution of the country, which is governed on the basis of the Sharia (Islamic Law). According to The Economist's Democracy Index, the Saudi government is the ninth most authoritarian regime in the world."
That whole paragraph is contradictory

Islamic Law clearly states that rulers should be elected by consultation (Shura), and it says nowhere that authority can be inherited.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
111,684
This discussion is completely irrelevant, actually, so people are wasting their time. Everybody knows the Saudi government are oil allies with the US and Israel.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
59,310
Islamic Law clearly states that rulers should be elected by consultation (Shura), and it says nowhere that authority can be inherited.
Exactly. Unless they are shia muslims ;)

Which they arent, they are Sunni (a screwed up wayward sunni sect, but still sunnis), the whole thing with the shia and sunni was the former believed in inherited ruling of the Prophets family, while the latter believed the best choice being electing the most competent man for the job.
 

Fred

Senior Member
Oct 2, 2003
41,113
Exactly. Unless they are shia muslims ;)

Which they arent, they are Sunni (a screwed up wayward sunni sect, but still sunnis), the whole thing with the shia and sunni was the former believed in inherited ruling of the Prophets family, while the latter believed the best choice being electing the most competent man for the job.
True that, they are Wahabist, which is one of the more radical Sunni sects.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
111,684
ßüякε;1880443 said:
This whole thread is irrelevant since no one here can change the situation in Israel or Palestine.
Says the guy with this quote in his profile.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. "
- Sir Edmund Burke

:shifty:
 

Ahmed

Principino
Sep 3, 2006
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ßüякε;1880443 said:
This whole thread is irrelevant since no one here can change the situation in Israel or Palestine.
this thread was never meant to do that, it was to discuss the situation in Gaza...you however have taken it even more off-topic with the Islamic state stuff
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
111,684
ßüякε;1880462 said:
....and if you care that much, and want to try to make a difference, stop talking on this forum and go over there and fight the Israelis.
Don't be shortsighted. Just discussing this issue and letting people know that Israel needs to be stopped is indeed "doing something", as if more people understand the reality over there, the better chance the Palestinians have. Getting the word out is the first step.

Are you for censorship, Mr. Mao?
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
59,310
ßüякε;1880464 said:
Only to clarify someone else's point.
Which you failed to do, because The Saudi's arent an islamic state simply because they claim to be, dont fullfill the conditions for it, more a freakish wahabbist sect that rule according to their archaic dictatorial ways.
 

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