Martin,
I think torture doesn't work. Therefore I also think it can't be justified, because it would basically be meaningless violence. But is this what you meant?
I think torture doesn't work. Therefore I also think it can't be justified, because it would basically be meaningless violence. But is this what you meant?
- It completely sucks as an interrogation method. Subjects under torture will say anything and therefore torture yields lots of unreliable testimony. (This is well documented btw.)
- Torture dramatically lowers our standards of humanity and our perception of what is acceptable and not. Once the US started using torture it shattered their credibility in statements about human rights. It also means any despot can easily justify torture. "Well, they are doing it, so why can't we."
- It also means you have no standing whatsoever to criticize other states for their oppression of their own citizens. You torture people ffs.
- Once you introduce torture you can't control it. Officially, it is only used "against our enemies". But who decides who's an enemy or not? Ultimately, it's used against citizens and enemies alike, and it just becomes another government tool of terror.
To me it's a no brainer. Torture portrayed in movies "when the bomb is about to go off" completely fail to account for the consequences of torture.
People may wonder why a political question appears in a religion forum. It's very interesting to me that people "who get their morals from god" and if you push them will inevitably claim they are more moral than you godless person are, are more accepting of torture than the rest of us.
Interesting, but not surprising. People who are used to being told what to do can quite easily be suspected of having a lower threshold for propaganda resistance. Mind you, in this case it is not speculation, it is an empirical fact.
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