Is the catholic church a force for good in the world? (11 Viewers)

[Ford Prefect]

Intelligence Squared ran a debate in London in November in regards to the question here the debate -


Its on a playlist so should play through.

Against the motion -

Stephen Fry :heart2:

Christopher Hitchens :heart2:

For the motion

Archbishop John Onaiyekan

Ann Widdecombe MP

I despise the Catholic Church, they are evil and are responsible for the deaths of millions.

I hope you enjoy the debate!

 

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[Stephan]

Del Piero is catholic.

 

[X Æ A-12]

haha

 

[Martin]

Yeah that was pretty entertaining. Fry mowed the floor with all of them.

 

[Ford Prefect]

i loved fry and hitchens speaches, fry expressed exactly why i detest them esp on homosexuality!

I enjoyed how they owned Ann for having a go at them for using examples of why they were evil made me

 

[Martin]

i loved fry and hitchens speaches, fry expressed exactly why i detest them esp on homosexuality!

I enjoyed how they owned Ann for having a go at them for using examples of why they were evil made me

who the f is this Ann? she's a nitwit. and the bishop was just a brainwashed man who couldn't formulate an argument

 

[Bjerknes]

My parents are Catholic, and I don't believe they are evil or responsible for the deaths of millions.

However, there is a chance that my dad created the AIDS virus in his lab, according to some guy from Russia. So you never know. :scarf:

 

[Gill_juve]

i loved fry and hitchens speaches, fry expressed exactly why i detest them esp on homosexuality!

I enjoyed how they owned Ann for having a go at them for using examples of why they were evil made me

fuck homos tbh they want it all, right to marry, adopt. they can fuck off just be happy that you're able to be openly gay.

 

[Ford Prefect]

who the f is this Ann? she's a nitwit. and the bishop was just a brainwashed man who couldn't formulate an argument

Shes a conservative MP, and a moron.

My parents are Catholic, and I don't believe they are evil or responsible for the deaths of millions.

However, there is a chance that my dad created the AIDS virus in his lab, according to some guy from Russia. So you never know. :scarf:

That depends, do they believe that africans in aids and poverty ridden countries shouldnt wear condoms?

fuck homos tbh they want it all, right to marry, adopt. they can fuck off just be happy that you're able to be openly gay.

You live in london? You know Vauxhall Bridge? Jump off it please.

 

[Fred]

Intelligence Squared ran a debate in London in November in regards to the question here the debate -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvZz_pxZ2lw&feature=PlayList&p=F821DBF3CE3374A3&index=0

Its on a playlist so should play through.

Against the motion -

Stephen Fry :heart2:

Christopher Hitchens :heart2:

For the motion

Archbishop John Onaiyekan

Ann Widdecombe MP

I despise the Catholic Church, they are evil and are responsible for the deaths of millions.

I hope you enjoy the debate!

So are several western governments.

 

[Martin]

So are several western governments.

Difference being western governments don't frickin claim to represent god himself.

 

[Fred]

Difference being western governments don't frickin claim to represent god himself.

But they do claim to represent freedom and democracy.

 

[Martin]

But they do claim to represent freedom and democracy.

So what? All governments claim to represent what's best for you. Whatever labels they want to use.

 

[Bjerknes]

That depends, do they believe that africans in aids and poverty ridden countries shouldnt wear condoms?

Don't think my dad does. He actually understands this stuff, since he's a molecular biologist.

 

[Fred]

So what? All governments claim to represent what's best for you. Whatever labels they want to use.

Apply the same logic to both sides. Both would be hypocrites, both responsible for "the death of millions" as Ja5per put it.

 

[Martin]

Apply the same logic to both sides. Both would be hypocrites.

I'm glad you're starting to see it my way. I've said before religion is nothing but politics underneath.

 

[Fred]

I'm glad you're starting to see it my way. I've said before religion is nothing but politics underneath.

I'm talking about the Catholic Church btw, not all religions.

 

[Martin]

I'm talking about the Catholic Church btw, not all religions.

Right, because the Catholic church is western, just like the evil western governments. That's how you can tell.

Needless to say, your non-western governments and your non-western religions are not flawed like ours.

 

[Fred]

Right, because the Catholic church is western, just like the evil western governments. That's how you can tell.

Needless to say, your non-western governments and your non-western religions are not flawed like ours.

Our non western governments are much worse than yours, they pale in comparison actually.

Plus, i did not mean that the catholic church was western and hence evil, how did you even conclude that?

 

[Ford Prefect]

Apply the same logic to both sides. Both would be hypocrites, both responsible for "the death of millions" as Ja5per put it.

eye know that western democracies are, but western democracies dont rape children, tell famine struck peoples to have children and spread aids, force ignorant beliefs, forbid the right to express your sexuality etc. etc. The catholics are wrong and they are responsible for those deaths, Pope Benedict has the blood on his hands.