Is Obama fucking America's Constitution with his big dong? (12 Viewers)

[AndreaCristiano]

If you're against the unfettered capitalism, that means you're pro government protectionism and more government control in the market?

I guess a little or maybe a true free market which doesnt exist anywhere

 

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[Nzoric]

I guess a little or maybe a true free market which doesnt exist anywhere

I must say that I like this side of you, but you should try and see how that makes sense with the rest of your political convictions.

 

[Hængebøffer]

Free market dosen't exist.

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I guess a little or maybe a true free market which doesnt exist anywhere

You beat me.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I must say that I like this side of you, but you should try and see how that makes sense with the rest of your political convictions.

over the past year as I have gotten even closer to my faith alot of my political convictions have altered more

 

[Nzoric]

But you're technically in a position to decide who is going to control the market, the government or predator companies through various monopolies.

I know where I stand.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

But you're technically in a position to decide who is going to control the market, the government or predator companies through various monopolies.

I know where I stand.

thats really a choice between two evils of equal malice and selfishness

 

[kairobo]

honestly the first time I was thinking about socialism was after some right wing american talkeing heads like o reilly made it a scapegoat for everything.
It wasnt a big thing before that since we live on a capitalist continent, we just are more left leaning in politics(which really isnt hard compared to the US who simply have no left) and have a social security net( to which every worker pays) a more accesable health care system(for everyone with a job) and you cant just fire us with no reason. all things that the right wingers of the US citizens hate. Thats why they call us socialists. because we are slightly different

 

[Nzoric]

thats really a choice between two evils of equal malice and selfishness

But you do realise that those are the two only choices you have, right? So, would you rather entertain the idea of representative democracy and have the people you elect excercise control on the market, furthermore people who you - in theory - are able to hold accountable for various happenings. Or would you rather have some douchebag who only has his own interests in mind to control it?

And please don't try to compare predator companies with governments, i'll be very tired if we move down that path.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

honestly the first time I was thinking about socialism was after some right wing american talkeing heads like o reilly made it a scapegoat for everything.
It wasnt a big thing before that since we live on a capitalist continent, we just are more left leaning in politics(which really isnt hard compared to the US who simply have no left) and have a social security net( to which every worker pays) a more accesable health care system(for everyone with a job) and you cant just fire us with no reason. all things that the right wingers of the US citizens hate. Thats why they call us socialists. because we are slightly different

well no your governments are all socialistic in some manner just not pure socialism for the most part

 

[Edoardo]

But you do realise that those are the two only choices you have, right? So, would you rather entertain the idea of representative democracy and have the people you elect excercise control on the market, furthermore people who you - in theory - are able to hold accountable for various happenings. Or would you rather have some douchebag who only has his own interests in mind to control it?

And please don't try to compare predator companies with governments, i'll be very tired if we move down that path.

Just because you put a bad adjective before companies doesn't mean they are a worse choice. I could put many many bad adjectives before a goverment controlled economy. Nobody's saying that some regulation is not necessary, ofcourse it is but it should be put at the bare minimum.

 

[kairobo]

well no your governments are all socialistic in some manner just not pure socialism for the most part

no, they are way more capitalistic than socialistic. even the socialists of france are not that different from the cdu of germany

 

[Nzoric]

Just because you put a bad adjective before companies doesn't mean they are a worse choice. I could put many many bad adjectives before a goverment controlled economy. Nobody's saying that some regulation is not necessary, ofcourse it is but it should be put at the bare minimum.

It's not a bad adjective, you dolt, it's the actual term for the way some companies operate.

Should be put to the bare minimum, I agree - though it should be strong enough to counter private monopolies, speculation and predator companies.

 

[kairobo]

Just because you put a bad adjective before companies doesn't mean they are a worse choice. I could put many many bad adjectives before a goverment controlled economy. Nobody's saying that some regulation is not necessary, ofcourse it is but it should be put at the bare minimum.

if all companies would get their way it would be a nightmare for workers. no more health insurance, pay would be a lot less and people would get fired left and right.
most companies care about their profit first and foremost and the worst can be downright cruel to their employees.
I worked in such a sweat shop once as a telephonist and every day was horrible. no way I d want to live, I d rather have good worker unions and some worker rights that dont depend on profit

 

[Deep C]

This is a pretty good thread though with lots of good posting all around.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

if all companies would get their way it would be a nightmare for workers. no more health insurance, pay would be a lot less and people would get fired left and right.
most companies care about their profit first and foremost and the worst can be downright cruel to their employees.
I worked in such a sweat shop once as a telephonist and every day was horrible. no way I d want to live, I d rather have good worker unions and some worker rights that dont depend on profit

thats not entirely true there are companies that treat workers excellently, google, apple, ben and jerrys, etc to name a few and not because of unions but because of a culture in the hierarchy

 

[GordoDeCentral]

thats not entirely true there are companies that treat workers excellently, google, apple, ben and jerrys, etc to name a few and not because of unions but because of a culture in the hierarchy

but these companies are the exception not the rule, there is no company out there watching out for their employees teh reason these treat their employees the best is because they want to attract the best, all a matter of bottom line, the fact is once a company goes public you are pretty much just a number.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

but these companies are the exception not the rule, there is no company out there watching out for their employees teh reason these treat their employees the best is because they want to attract the best, all a matter of bottom line, the fact is once a company goes public you are pretty much just a number.

Oh I know but in the end the same can be said for governments

 

[GordoDeCentral]

governments are even worse, at least companies are productive in their quest for profit

 

[Hængebøffer]

governments are even worse, at least companies are productive in their quest for profit

You don't see a pattern in this discussion?

Edit: Forgot

 

[AndreaCristiano]

governments are even worse, at least companies are productive in their quest for profit

agreed and with their profits people actually profit from it as well