Is it okay to make fun of religion? (24 Viewers)
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How? How am I a hypocrite? You keep making stuff up. This is no fair way to debate. You can't do that. You wanted to use the law as an example. That's fine. But you have to know what's in it. You have to know what it says. I don't have to know Muhammad, because I'm not criticising Muhammad, I'm criticising you. You can tell that you're not a lawyer 
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My deepest religious belief is that one can make fun of Muhammad. It really is. And I feel insulted when someone says I can't. So how does that enter into this fictional world of yours? You couldn't have anything against that idea, because you say everyone has to respect such basic beliefs. You have to respect this belief, because otherwise you'll insult me. Only problem is that this belief says you can make fun of everything. Mind you, this is not mere semantics, this is the actual conflict.
.My deepest religious belief is that one can make fun of Muhammad. It really is. And I feel insulted when someone says I can't. So how does that enter into this fictional world of yours? You couldn't have anything against that idea, because you say everyone has to respect such basic beliefs. You have to respect this belief, because otherwise you'll insult me. Only problem is that this belief says you can make fun of everything. Mind you, this is not mere semantics, this is the actual conflict.
You're a complete tool.
But that is exactly why they should be fair to criticize, don't you get it? Because they have such massive consequences to people's lives, they live their lives by these rules.
Take Jews. Jews believe that you can't work on the Sabbath. Now, work is not just paid work, it's sort of anything and everything. For example, driving a car is work. Riding an elevator is work. So if you're Jewish you can't ride an elevator on a Saturday. But you know what? If you have someone with you, a Christian for example, he can push the buttons for you and you can ride an elevator.
Now for the love of god tell me that this makes any kind of sense to you. And this is what you say cannot be criticized or made fun of? This is precisely what most needs to be made fun of. Why? So that you make people think about what the hell they're actually doing!
Think about it. Our civilization is based on the principle that ideas are tested. They are criticized, ridiculed from all angles. This is absolutely necessary to weed out all bad and harmful ideas. What we have left is good ideas.
Take Jews. Jews believe that you can't work on the Sabbath. Now, work is not just paid work, it's sort of anything and everything. For example, driving a car is work. Riding an elevator is work. So if you're Jewish you can't ride an elevator on a Saturday. But you know what? If you have someone with you, a Christian for example, he can push the buttons for you and you can ride an elevator.
Now for the love of god tell me that this makes any kind of sense to you. And this is what you say cannot be criticized or made fun of? This is precisely what most needs to be made fun of. Why? So that you make people think about what the hell they're actually doing!
Think about it. Our civilization is based on the principle that ideas are tested. They are criticized, ridiculed from all angles. This is absolutely necessary to weed out all bad and harmful ideas. What we have left is good ideas.
Ofcourse some religions are based on lies.. There are so many religions out there.. Ofcourse we can't believe in all religions.
But I think you should respect other believes.. why should I making fun of a Jew or a buddist because I don't believe in the same thing he does..
I respect him and im not saying things to offend him..
Ofcourse you can have debate with him.. but on a good way.
Not like Seven.. he is just filled with hate... I have a bad feeling a muslim have done something bad to him.
In a kind of way I feel sorry for the guy.. can't be easy to have so much hate inside.
But I think you should respect other believes.. why should I making fun of a Jew or a buddist because I don't believe in the same thing he does..
I respect him and im not saying things to offend him..
Ofcourse you can have debate with him.. but on a good way.
Not like Seven.. he is just filled with hate... I have a bad feeling a muslim have done something bad to him.
In a kind of way I feel sorry for the guy.. can't be easy to have so much hate inside.
Errrr, pardon me for intruding here, but this is partly why I get into these meta conversations. Martin, you have at least scored enough intelligence credentials with me where I believe you're pretty aware of the obvious.
One of those obvious things being that all human metaphysical beliefs, whether in a specific organized religion or its complete absence, fundamentally presumes that the other person with different beliefs is an idiot, is causing harm to himself, and doesn't know the truth. This has been true throughout humanity eternal.
This is why I feel like these threads are just bait because you're essentially too intelligent for this to be anything but a rhetorical question.
One of those obvious things being that all human metaphysical beliefs, whether in a specific organized religion or its complete absence, fundamentally presumes that the other person with different beliefs is an idiot, is causing harm to himself, and doesn't know the truth. This has been true throughout humanity eternal.
This is why I feel like these threads are just bait because you're essentially too intelligent for this to be anything but a rhetorical question.
Religion has never done harm to anyone.
I've mentioned this before; I will say it again once and for all.
Do not condemn religion for religious people's actions. Thats the most idiotic thing anyone can do. It is the same as condemning the entire practice of law for the actions of a few bad lawyers, or the practice of medicine for a few bad doctors.
Think of religion as pure water that is inside a very dirty cup.
I've mentioned this before; I will say it again once and for all.
Do not condemn religion for religious people's actions. Thats the most idiotic thing anyone can do. It is the same as condemning the entire practice of law for the actions of a few bad lawyers, or the practice of medicine for a few bad doctors.
Think of religion as pure water that is inside a very dirty cup.
Yes, it's really "funny" how I think free expression is okay while violence is not. I mean what idiot would think that?
It's also really "funny" how many people on the internet get all mad about something that someone has said, they denounce this person for being bad, and then start threatening with violence. Yeah, that's really moral superiority right there.
It's also really "funny" how many people on the internet get all mad about something that someone has said, they denounce this person for being bad, and then start threatening with violence. Yeah, that's really moral superiority right there.
hehe you are so stupid that you doesen't even have a little bit respect in you..
And believe me I know you are a coward.. you can say this rastic things about muslims here on internet.. I Would like to see you say it to somebodys face.
Second thing.. I feel sorry for you that you dosen't understand this simpel things.
You are not lo stilo Juve man.. I can't name one Juventus player who would accept or like your rastic thoughts..
Maby Lazio should be your team.. You Di Canio would come along just fine
And believe me I know you are a coward.. you can say this rastic things about muslims here on internet.. I Would like to see you say it to somebodys face.
Second thing.. I feel sorry for you that you dosen't understand this simpel things.
You are not lo stilo Juve man.. I can't name one Juventus player who would accept or like your rastic thoughts..
Maby Lazio should be your team.. You Di Canio would come along just fine
Dear god save us from such ignorant statements.
Religion has done no harm. All it did was convince a couple of parents that prayer would cure their daughter. Despite various other family members pleading for them to take their daughter to a doctor, they refused and just kept praying. The girl died.
And all of a sudden it's not religion's fault for suggesting that prayer can heal the sick. I mean when did religion ever say such at thing? Oh wait..
Religion has done no harm. All it did was convince a couple of parents that prayer would cure their daughter. Despite various other family members pleading for them to take their daughter to a doctor, they refused and just kept praying. The girl died.
And all of a sudden it's not religion's fault for suggesting that prayer can heal the sick. I mean when did religion ever say such at thing? Oh wait..
You can make fun of everything you like, even if this is a black guy you're making fun of. What's the problem with this? One could make fun of a redhead and no one would reprimand him even though the redheads are being born redheads and it's not their choices. I believe you can make fun of everything, either it's something you think is ugly, stupid or ridiculous. You can make fun of Muslims, Jews, Blacks, Asians, girls, redheads, olds, Inter or Galliani.
Thing is that all who were mentioned above MUST have equal social rights no matter what their religion, race and color are.
Thing is that all who were mentioned above MUST have equal social rights no matter what their religion, race and color are.