Iraqi shot dead attempting goal (10 Viewers)

[king Ale]

I never thought you were an Arab\Iraqi

Neither do I. I'm glad we have him here though because he'd certify me for saying this; There are lots of Iraqi's immigrants in Iran and you cannot imagine how they were all out of their minds celebrating and shouting at the day Saddam was captured. Most of them had some abandoned relatives back in Iraq. Many of them had lost their families or friends there and all of them hated Saddam. They actually didn't care about the intention of the US government for overturning Saddam. It'd be oil, lethal weapons, whatever, they didn't give a damn about it. All they knew was hate, hate and hate. They believed Saddam wouldn't have been reversed of the power UNLESS the US had involved. It's easy for me to sit in my warm and safe place, act civilized and say Saddam shouldn't be executed but you have to be at Iraqis' places to feel what they've been living through during the years of Saddam's dictatorship.

Was the moustache not a clue?

Almost every Iraqi middle aged man has a moustache so it doesn't say so much

 

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[ßöмßäяðîëя]

If you're going to start editing posts, then at least be objective. Edit Bes's post before you edit mine, i know you don't think what he said is offensive but 1 billion people would disagree with you. So stop being a hypocrite.

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He made a generalized comment and you attacked him personally.

You need to settle down, people say shit like Jesus blows all the time. Just because you are in a minority that takes shit much more seriously than others doesn't mean we should all be held to your standards.

Point is, his comment was in the gray area and yours was not.

Who exactly gave the US the right to police the world?

John Kruk

 

[only-juve]

I never thought you were an Arab\Iraqi

Surprised you there

Was the moustache not a clue?

Neither do I. I'm glad we have him here though because he'd certify me for saying this; There are lots of Iraqi's immigrants in Iran and you cannot imagine how they were all out of their minds celebrating and shouting at the day Saddam was captured. Most of them had some abandoned relatives back in Iraq. Many of them had lost their families or friends there and all of them hated Saddam. They actually didn't care about the intention of the US government for overturning Saddam. It'd be oil, lethal weapons, whatever, they didn't give a damn about it. All they knew was hate, hate and hate. They believed Saddam wouldn't have been reversed of the power UNLESS the US had involved. It's easy for me to sit in my warm and safe place, act civilized and say Saddam shouldn't be executed but you have to be at Iraqis' places to feel what they've been living through during the years of Saddam's dictatorship.

Majority of Iraqis' hated him, few minorities liked him because they were benefiting "financially" from him. Many people (outside of the country) have this idea that only the " Shiite " Iraqis' hated him when infact many Sunni's (and am one of them) hated he's gutts. You'd be suprised to know that my family is actually related to saddam's family "al-Tikriti", many members of the family stood against him back in the 80's but they were executed ....

 

[Seven]

Iraq's refusal to abide by the Gulf War cease fire gave the US any reason it needed to invade once the UN gave the ok.

Or was Iraq not bound by the terms of the cease fire it signed?

Wait a minute. You think the UN agreed?

Invading Iraq does not equal policing the world.

The cease fire ending the first gulf war and the US Congress approval of force to oust Hussein and the UN allowing it to happen gave the US what it needed to invade.

If Hussein had lived up to the cease fire agreement which he signed this war would have never happened. So, it really comes down to him. But of course no one seems to want to hold tyrannical dictators accountable, for some reason.

Ehhhh, yes, it does.

 

[Vinny Del Pogba]

John Kruk

lol, this John Kruk?

 

[Vinny Del Pogba]

Wait a minute. You think the UN agreed?

They were not necessarily giddy about the war, but Resolution 1441 gave the US the green light to go to war. The US would have done so without it, but the rubber stamp gave it a more legit feel.

Ehhhh, yes, it does.

No it doesn't. If anything it is policing Iraq. The US isn't policing Germany, or Finland, or Australia or India, etc.

 

[Seven]

They were not necessarily giddy about the war, but Resolution 1441 gave the US the green light to go to war. The US would have done so without it, but the rubber stamp gave it a more legit feel.



No it doesn't. If anything it is policing Iraq. The US isn't policing Germany, or Finland, or Australia or India, etc.

That is highly debatable IMO. Have you read the resolution?

I'll drop the policing argument, because this is clear for all to see, but an American just won't accept it.

 

[Osman]

so does mohamed

Seriously, go fuck yourself.

I usually have thick skin about people criticising or insulting "endearing" historical leaders and can see where someone comes from or can ignore it even its outlandish, but this... since making comments like this is the norm to you, and you actually fucking compared him to Hitler,Stalin and gang, even if its for pathetic laughs....I repeat, go FUCK YOURSELF.

And Burke, you better not edit this, the schmuck need to be told this (he can say it, and I can say what a douchebag he is for saying it), I'm not even that religious, and even if I were, I wouldnt have much qualms with people talking about religious leaders in general etc. But this? The stupidity of going out your way to INSULT by comparing him to Hitler out of the blue?

 

[Lion]

that was a low blow form Besmir. I enjoy his sense of humor, but this was a very cheap shot.

 

[Seven]

Bes didn't compare Mohammad with those dictators. He said he deserved the same punishment. That's something different.

 

[Osman]

Deserve same punishment = Same/similar crimes = Comparing them with him.


Not going to argue it, just think it was fucking tactless douchebaggery for no fucking reason.

 

[Lion]

Bes didn't compare Mohammad with those dictators. He said he deserved the same punishment. That's something different.

hi

 

[Fred]

Go on and edit this one too Burke, i know you'd love to, you hypocrite.

 

[Vinny Del Pogba]

That is highly debatable IMO. Have you read the resolution?

I'll drop the policing argument, because this is clear for all to see, but an American just won't accept it.

Whether the 1441 actually says the war can go ahead doesn't really matter. It was worded politically so that the US & UK could use it to attack Iraq and France and Russia could wash their hands of it and say they never actually agreed to allow the war to happen.

The policing argument is garbage. Who is the US policing? They provide military support to a lot of countries and offer defense to a lot of countries, but that is at those countries request. The US as the world's poilceman is a tired cliche which really has no basis in reality. The US uses it's military force to defend it's own interests, plain and simple. If the US was the world's policeman they would have deployed themselves in Darfur long ago, for example.

 

[Osman]

Your point is mere semantics (Good guy) Vinny.

 

[Lion]

there is no benefit in going to Darfur

 

[Bjerknes]

Iraq's refusal to abide by the Gulf War cease fire gave the US any reason it needed to invade once the UN gave the ok.

Or was Iraq not bound by the terms of the cease fire it signed?

You can't be serious. There's always some excuse for the war defenders to go upon. First it was the weapons of mass destruction, second it was Al Qaeda, third it was just to "help" the Iraqis, now it's because they supposedly broke the ceasefire. It's truly pathetic how you spew this nonsense even when Greenspan and Wolfowitz came out to admit the Iraq War was about oil more than anything else.

You're simply a closet Bush fan and probably voted for him in 2000. Thanks a lot.

"I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter from our point of view, from the charter point of view, it [the Iraq War] was illegal." - Kofi Annan

 

[Vinny Del Pogba]

You can't be serious. There's always some excuse for the war defenders to go upon. First it was the weapons of mass destruction, second it was Al Qaeda, third it was just to "help" the Iraqis, now it's because they supposedly broke the ceasefire. It's truly pathetic how you spew this nonsense even when Greenspan and Wolfowitz came out to admit the Iraq War was about oil more than anything else.

You're simply a closet Bush fan and probably voted for him in 2000. Thanks a lot.

"I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN charter from our point of view, from the charter point of view, it [the Iraq War] was illegal." - Kofi Annan

I never said oil wasn't part of the equation, of course it was. If there was no oil in Iraq there would not have been a war in Iraq. A seven year old can figure that out. Congrats.

Quoting Kofi Annan? Yea, he's an un- biased source. Annan's anti-American bias is no secret.

but anyways, there was never just one reason to go to war in Iraq. WMD was one, supporting terrorism was another, so was freeing the Iraqis and the ceasefire.

In fact, all of those reasons were embedded in 1441.

 

[Bjerknes]

I never said oil wasn't part of the equation, of course it was. If there was no oil in Iraq there would not have been a war in Iraq. A seven year old can figure that out. Congrats.

Quoting Kofi Annan? Yea, he's an un- biased source. Annan's anti-American bias is no secret.

but anyways, there was never just one reason to go to war in Iraq. WMD was one, supporting terrorism was another, so was freeing the Iraqis and the ceasefire.

In fact, all of those reasons were embedded in 1441.

And they all turned out to be fake. The war was sold on WMD's and terrorism, false and doctored information that were presented to us for the sole purpose of fooling people to go into Iraq for oil and occupation purposes. Don't beat around the bush and claim the ceasefire justifies what we did. If so, you're just another dumb American I'm afraid.

Wake yourself up and stop supporting our own terrorism.

 

[Osman]

Good guy Vinny is either very naive and gullible, or very biased and dishonest.