Iraq. Is it better now?? (AKA ISIS/ISIL/IS/name-of-the-week-here) (29 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

but if you're already in credit card debt, a $6 trillion purchase should sound alarms.

I don’t recall seeing any mathematical evidence that the wars “caused” the recession. And actually, wars do cause a boost in economic activity in the short run through spending, which isn’t real growth but that’s how we have printed positive GDP’s for so long.

 

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[swag]

I don’t recall seeing any mathematical evidence that the wars “caused” the recession. And actually, wars do cause a boost in economic activity in the short run through spending, which isn’t real growth but that’s how we have printed positive GDP’s for so long.

Well, they provide a boost for the military-industrial complex.

Funny how people who bitch and moan about government inefficiency and waste suddenly become Big Government fanboys when it involves the military.

 

[Enron]

I don’t recall seeing any mathematical evidence that the wars “caused” the recession. And actually, wars do cause a boost in economic
activity in the short run through spending, which isn’t real growth but that’s how we have printed positive GDP’s for so long.

They boost the "economy" of those lucky enough to have government contracts. I don't think you can claim that war is good for the economy anymore, it's not like WWII with Rosie and the gals went off to work making tanks and everyone got "paid". Good for some and bad for the rest of us. That's what war is.

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-I think there was more to the recession than the wars "cost", but that's another can of worms.
-It is the rest of the worlds problem but I sure as hell don't see them doing anything about it. If people there (other than the occassional outspoke disapproval of ISIS) are unwilling to stand up and we take ourselves out of the equation because its another persons problem you will see much bigger ISIS (CIA est 31,500+) in a year from now. Reports already showing militants are working out of mexican border towns. Not sure how accurate that is but its absolutely a possibility. But yeah, let's take ourselves out of the equation and just pretend they aren't already here.

Nice to see you jumping right to the rhetoric.

I don't know anything about ISIS invading through Mexico. That would be an impressive feat and if they did succeed, could you blame them? Especially after the 100s of thousands of civilian deaths our 10 years "standing up" have given the region.

The entire reason groups like ISIS exist is because of our actions. They don't hate us for our freedom. They hate us because we blew them up for no reason.

Now I'm not suggesting sticking our heads in the sand and pretending that ISIS doesn't exist. That's a retarded suggestion. I'm suggesting that maybe we have a thought or two before we jump into another costly war that we can't possibly win.

 

[Eddy]

It is the rest of the worlds problem but I sure as hell don't see them doing anything about it.

No, the west is doing something about it albeit indirectly but they ain't putting ground troops just to die for something Bush and co. started more than 10 years ago.

 

[swag]

Nice to see you jumping right to the rhetoric.

I don't know anything about ISIS invading through Mexico. That would be an impressive feat and if they did succeed, could you blame them? Especially after the 100s of thousands of civilian deaths our 10 years "standing up" have given the region.

The entire reason groups like ISIS exist is because of our actions. They don't hate us for our freedom. They hate us because we blew them up for no reason.

Now I'm not suggesting sticking our heads in the sand and pretending that ISIS doesn't exist. That's a retarded suggestion. I'm suggesting that maybe we have a thought or two before we jump into another costly war that we can't possibly win.

We loves playing Evil Empire Whack-A-Mole, that's for sure.

 

[Bjerknes]

Well, they provide a boost for the military-industrial complex.

Funny how people who bitch and moan about government inefficiency and waste suddenly become Big Government fanboys when it involves the military.

Yeah, but that's the same thing on both sides, everyone wants a free lunch regardless of color (skin, party, whatever).

They boost the "economy" of those lucky enough to have government contracts. I don't think you can claim that war is good for the economy anymore, it's not like WWII with Rosie and the gals went off to work making tanks and everyone got "paid". Good for some and bad for the rest of us. That's what war is.

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Nice to see you jumping right to the rhetoric.

I don't know anything about ISIS invading through Mexico. That would be an impressive feat and if they did succeed, could you blame them? Especially after the 100s of thousands of civilian deaths our 10 years "standing up" have given the region.

The entire reason groups like ISIS exist is because of our actions. They don't hate us for our freedom. They hate us because we blew them up for no reason.

Now I'm not suggesting sticking our heads in the sand and pretending that ISIS doesn't exist. That's a retarded suggestion. I'm suggesting that maybe we have a thought or two before we jump into another costly war that we can't possibly win.

Wars are never good for anything, especially in the long run. It's like a stimulus package; it seems like it's working, but in reality it either adds to existing problems or covers them up. This is similar to how many pundits said Hurricane Katrina was great for the economy. Somehow they forgot that destroying perfectly working capital and decent infrastructure doesn't make you better off, it makes you further in debt.

And I don't think ISIS or groups like them are all our fault. Sure, we funded ISIS at some point, but there will always be crazy people in that part of world doing some head amputations. It's been going on for thousands of years now and will never change until someone turns it all into a glass parking lot.

 

[Enron]

We loves playing Evil Empire Whack-A-Mole, that's for sure.

Except in this version, you drone strike the mole and then 6 more pop up.

 

[ReBeL]

Just for info, during the last 24 hours, ISIS continued its invasion to the lands controlled by Kurds, north Syria. Almost 21 villages were taken by ISIS.

 

[Hust]

Yep. Sounds like the region has this under control.

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That's a retarded suggestion. I'm suggesting that maybe we have a thought or two before we jump into another costly war that we can't possibly win.

Points well taken but having this "thought or two" is going to bring us to what kind of conclusion?

a) the region can't tackle this themselves and Europe refuses engagement.
b) we support the "rebels" WHICH we all know how that has worked in the past but seems to have unanimous support in DC (again).
c) we leave them take care of it themselves, continue to see news like Rebel just posted every 24 horus, more youth from the States leaves home to join ISIS and their wacko group gets stronger and they take the jihad to us in our own borders.

Apparently suspected terrorists were arrested on September 10th at the border with a motive to attack. Also, a raid by Austrailian feds arresting militants there as well. Pretty sure you won't see much reporting on that because it shows just how weak our borders are, which would be disastrous for Dem's and would be perhaps a true call to Arms?

Forza Allegri

 

[Lion]

the region is under control.

the reason no one intervenes is because stable countries in the region have enough on their plate.

you really think Iran wouldn't wipe the floor with isis if they dare even step one step over their borders? the only reason they are not doing so already is because they have enough heat on their plate from nuclear talks and economic sanctions pressure. i fimly believe iranian troops would have been already in iraq if the us had lost interest

same with isreal. isreal would wipe the floor with isis if the rebels in syria start crossing deep into Lebanese and Palestinian territory.

 

[Trequartista]

The real question is: Is Israel secretly funding/helping ISIS to create havoc in the region?

I don't know but I wouldn't put it past them.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

They boost the "economy" of those lucky enough to have government contracts. I don't think you can claim that war is good for the economy anymore, it's not like WWII with Rosie and the gals went off to work making tanks and everyone got "paid". Good for some and bad for the rest of us. That's what war is.

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Nice to see you jumping right to the rhetoric.

I don't know anything about ISIS invading through Mexico. That would be an impressive feat and if they did succeed, could you blame them? Especially after the 100s of thousands of civilian deaths our 10 years "standing up" have given the region.

The entire reason groups like ISIS exist is because of our actions. They don't hate us for our freedom. They hate us because we blew them up for no reason.

Now I'm not suggesting sticking our heads in the sand and pretending that ISIS doesn't exist. That's a retarded suggestion. I'm suggesting that maybe we have a thought or two before we jump into another costly war that we can't possibly win.

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the region is under control.

the reason no one intervenes is because stable countries in the region have enough on their plate.

you really think Iran wouldn't wipe the floor with isis if they dare even step one step over their borders? the only reason they are not doing so already is because they have enough heat on their plate from nuclear talks and economic sanctions pressure. i fimly believe iranian troops would have been already in iraq if the us had lost interest

same with isreal. isreal would wipe the floor with isis if the rebels in syria start crossing deep into Lebanese and Palestinian territory.

like they wiped the floor with hezbullah?

 

[Lion]

kind of different, if similar. isis is acting more like an organized army rather than a militia group.

easier to fight when your enemy is not hiding

 

[GordoDeCentral]

kind of different, if similar. isis is acting more like an organized army rather than a militia group.

easier to fight when your enemy is not hiding

fair point

 

[Azzurri7]

kind of different, if similar. isis is acting more like an organized army rather than a militia group.

easier to fight when your enemy is not hiding

Hezbollah are much more organized than ISIS I can say. However, both fight as Militia's and not-so organized armies when in war or battle. But in terms of organization, Hezbollah are ahead of ISIS, 30 years of experience.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

i think what he meant is that hezbullah can just disappear into the crowd and dont have to rely strictly on a central command center for ammo and provisions(at least on teh short term). ISIS on the hand has all the typical vulnerabilities a standing army has.

 

[Azzurri7]

i think what he meant is that hezbullah can just disappear into the crowd and dont have to rely strictly on a central command center for ammo and provisions(at least on teh short term). ISIS on the hand has all the typical vulnerabilities a standing army has.

True.

I wonder though how ISIS will act after US air-crafts hit their bases and their accumulation, if they'll spread away or stick as a group.

 

[ReBeL]

Iran has already forces that are supposed to fight ISIS, but they run like rats whenever ISIS comes closer to them. These are the members of Iraqi army who are taking their orders from Iran.

And by the way, Israel started attacking the locations of rebel fighters near its borders because Druze soldiers in the Zionist army begged them to do so to protect their cousins who have always allied with Assad regime and Israel.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

US doesnt need to bomb them, pretty sure they know exactly who funds them
@Enron http://ericmargolis.com/2014/09/just-say-no/

 

[ReBeL]

True.

I wonder though how ISIS will act after US air-crafts hit their bases and their accumulation, if they'll spread away or stick as a group.

They are already hitting their bases since a while, Rab.
They are spreading in a very large area making it impossible to take them out without a ground operation...