Iraq. Is it better now?? (AKA ISIS/ISIL/IS/name-of-the-week-here) (31 Viewers)
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They have already executed (beheaded) 2 Lebanese soldiers in the last week, they had them kidnapped, they still have around 8 or 9 soldiers and are threatening to kill them all if the Lebanese government refuses to negotiate the release of Islamist prisoners (250 Islamist) in the Lebanese jails.
Our officials have rejected holding talks of possible swap so far. Anyway, our army has responded on the borders and have killed many of the Islamist and captured their leader of that particular group in the borders and now he is part of the negotiations.
This negotiation will take some time I'm afraid.
Our officials have rejected holding talks of possible swap so far. Anyway, our army has responded on the borders and have killed many of the Islamist and captured their leader of that particular group in the borders and now he is part of the negotiations.
This negotiation will take some time I'm afraid.
Sometimes I refuse to believe what my eyes see, it feels like I'm watching one of those films war between Protestants and Catholics.
One wonders even if you're brainwashed and you're under drugs/pills your brain still wouldn't function to the point of slowly beheading innocents with kitchen knife.
On another note, if they don't stop creeping into Lebanon and if I feel my family and relatives are in danger, I'm considering volunteering myself in the Army. Though I think their days are numbered, once their first row leaders are assassinated the rest will starve and go back to their shelves.
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I hear this a lot these days, I still believe these regimes "Sadam, Hafez + his son, Gaddafi, Moubarak etc" are the main reasons these Islamists exist nowadays.
One wonders even if you're brainwashed and you're under drugs/pills your brain still wouldn't function to the point of slowly beheading innocents with kitchen knife.
On another note, if they don't stop creeping into Lebanon and if I feel my family and relatives are in danger, I'm considering volunteering myself in the Army. Though I think their days are numbered, once their first row leaders are assassinated the rest will starve and go back to their shelves.
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I hear this a lot these days, I still believe these regimes "Sadam, Hafez + his son, Gaddafi, Moubarak etc" are the main reasons these Islamists exist nowadays.
i dont agree, and neither does history tbh the whole kharijites(takfeer movement) has been around since the birth of islam and will continue to exist because sunni islam doesnt have a central religious figure/authority, so the only viable option here is a strong political structure to curb religious extremism.
They were minority before Baath parties were put in power. Iraq before Saddam was a modern country, same goes with Egypt before Abdel Nasser there was a free beautiful minds back in the early 1920's till 1960's, society was slowly refusing the Islamist thought and their existence and you know when your beliefs are not desired or practiced in the society with time it sinks.
When dictatorships came in power and decided to isolate the Islamist mind/bethink and at the same time only feed and grow them up when you are politically in struggle with other country and want to use these radicals as your political card for more than 30-40 years, you can somehow predict how it will backfire after the regime is down.
Anyway, this zone has always been an easy soil target for any sects conflicts because the structure itself was all wrong from the beginning.
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It will bloody at first, but Hezbollah are too strong and too organized, in a street war, they have no chance with Hezbollah.
Unfortunately Hezbollah did drag us in this when they decided to take part of the Syrian war. That was the most stupid decision they could make.
When dictatorships came in power and decided to isolate the Islamist mind/bethink and at the same time only feed and grow them up when you are politically in struggle with other country and want to use these radicals as your political card for more than 30-40 years, you can somehow predict how it will backfire after the regime is down.
Anyway, this zone has always been an easy soil target for any sects conflicts because the structure itself was all wrong from the beginning.
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It will bloody at first, but Hezbollah are too strong and too organized, in a street war, they have no chance with Hezbollah.
Unfortunately Hezbollah did drag us in this when they decided to take part of the Syrian war. That was the most stupid decision they could make.
I really wish the best for Lebanon, such a beautiful country with great people, it never seems to get any peace.
Most people here know how vocal I have been about my dislike for the United States foreign policy in the Middle East, but to be honest anything that gets rid of ISIS, I'm completely with it. They have ruined Syria completely and shifted peoples focus from the brutal Assad regime to themselves, who would have thought that anyone could be more evil than those dictators, fuckin ISIS have made even the dictators seem like such compassionate human beings.
I agree wholeheartedly with the bolded statement btw.
I have to agree with Rab on this one. Those dictatorial regimes have contributed even more to people accepting these radical movements. Lack of employment opportunities for the youth, poor educational systems and low standards of living coupled with oppression, state control over everything creates the perfect conditions for these radical movements to attract youth. These authoritarian regimes have created a situation where if they were ever toppled, there would be such a huge empty vacuum that would be difficult to fill, there are no proper institutions in countries like Libya, Syria, Iraq etc. IMO Geddaffi, Saddam, the Assad regime and all the rest are the worst thing to happen to those countries, who will now pay a hefty price for those era's.
Most people here know how vocal I have been about my dislike for the United States foreign policy in the Middle East, but to be honest anything that gets rid of ISIS, I'm completely with it. They have ruined Syria completely and shifted peoples focus from the brutal Assad regime to themselves, who would have thought that anyone could be more evil than those dictators, fuckin ISIS have made even the dictators seem like such compassionate human beings.
I agree wholeheartedly with the bolded statement btw.
I have to agree with Rab on this one. Those dictatorial regimes have contributed even more to people accepting these radical movements. Lack of employment opportunities for the youth, poor educational systems and low standards of living coupled with oppression, state control over everything creates the perfect conditions for these radical movements to attract youth. These authoritarian regimes have created a situation where if they were ever toppled, there would be such a huge empty vacuum that would be difficult to fill, there are no proper institutions in countries like Libya, Syria, Iraq etc. IMO Geddaffi, Saddam, the Assad regime and all the rest are the worst thing to happen to those countries, who will now pay a hefty price for those era's.
Not that they would take me, but I feel it's man duty to volunteer himself for his country if he's needed for such an ugly scenario. I'm still single, no kids, the least I can do is contribute something on the ground. At the end of the day, it's there where I want my kids to grow up but then again, I doubt the army would need volunteers since the whole world is getting ready to put an end to this.
I disagree here. What Assad regime did during the last 3.5 years can not be compared ever with what ISIS did.
The regime killed more than 190000 people. How many people were killed by ISIS?
The regime forced more than 3 millions to leave the country and many other millions to leave their houses and relocate inside the country. How many people were forced to do so by ISIS?
A very nice and big city called Homs was almost wiped off the map by Assad regime. Give me the name of one village or city that suffered the same by ISIS
Again, I don't support ISIS, but it is not right to make ISIS the most horrible thing that happened in the region while we all know it is not.
The regime killed more than 190000 people. How many people were killed by ISIS?
The regime forced more than 3 millions to leave the country and many other millions to leave their houses and relocate inside the country. How many people were forced to do so by ISIS?
A very nice and big city called Homs was almost wiped off the map by Assad regime. Give me the name of one village or city that suffered the same by ISIS
Again, I don't support ISIS, but it is not right to make ISIS the most horrible thing that happened in the region while we all know it is not.